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technodup said:
Driver101 said:
You're the man who has previously said there is nothing wrong with winding up the opposition and singing offensive songs wasn't an issue either. It didn't actually cause any harm. It's all part of the banter apparently and it was all part of football you enjoyed.
Now winding up the opposition is now offensive and an issue?
It's football, of course you wind up the opposition fans. But 'offensive' songs are just that, we can argue about the offensive part all day long but they're still just songs.Now winding up the opposition is now offensive and an issue?
But storming the pitch en masse, ripping it up, breaking the goals, spitting, physically antagonising rivals, assaulting players ffs, that's something else entirely. And no amount of green tinted solidarity will disguise it.
I've never said Rangers fans are perfect, all clubs have an element of support they've probably do without, but when we overstep the mark (as a tiny minority did in Manchester) we are castigated, not applauded, condoned or excused.
The world was watching this. And you know what? It's not the Rangers fans they think are w
ks.A tiny minority in Manchester?????
Breaking the goals at their end, ripping the pitch up at their end, which couldn't be seen through thousands of people, justifies Rangers fans running on to the park? Nobody even knew anything about the players being assaulted until the claims came out later. So don't even begin to to use that as an excuse.
So far the extent of the player assaults was someone giving the goalkeeper a push. Not a good thing to happen, but it was a push and not a violent assault.
For all the comments I've read from anyone else, both sets of fans are rightly getting blame. It's only the Rangers fans that think they didn't play their part.
It doesn't help when Rangers fans and the club are reporting things completely wrongly to push all the blame on Hibs.
The video of the goalkeeper getting flattened has been viewed loads of times and has lots of comments how bad it is. It's not even the Rangers goalkeeper and it's the wrong side of the park from where he was.
Far too desperate to find blame and making up all sorts of s
te.Driver101 said:
A tiny minority in Manchester?????
Yes. I was there all day. I was at the game. I saw the hundreds of thousands on the way down, all over the city centre and in the stadium. The rioters were measured in the hundreds. A handful were punished. A tiny minority. And no amount of newspaper 'worst destruction since the blitz' hyperbole (conveniently forgetting the Arndale Centre) bullst changes that.What you're struggling with is when a city underestimates visiting numbers, or when a big screen breaks or is switched off, or thousands of opponents fans storm the pitch, and when Police are ineffective, tensions are already high and alcohol has been consumed it would take the patience of a saint to ignore. Throw in a bit of peer pressure, herd mentality and you have a reaction. Not saying it's right, but it's what happens with crowds. The Police know it, the football authorities know it, Hibs fans know it (well maybe not so much- they don't usually have 25k in a stadium), Rangers fans know it. It's a wonder there wasn't a full scale barney and a lot deeper consequences tbh.
I've been to countless finals with Rangers, winning and losing. I can't remember anyone on the pitch. Hibs started this s
te. Some Rangers fans reacted. If the SFA have any balls they'll fk Hibs right up.technodup said:
Driver101 said:
A tiny minority in Manchester?????
Yes. I was there all day. I was at the game. I saw the hundreds of thousands on the way down, all over the city centre and in the stadium. The rioters were measured in the hundreds. A handful were punished. A tiny minority. And no amount of newspaper 'worst destruction since the blitz' hyperbole (conveniently forgetting the Arndale Centre) bullst changes that.What you're struggling with is when a city underestimates visiting numbers, or when a big screen breaks or is switched off, or thousands of opponents fans storm the pitch, and when Police are ineffective, tensions are already high and alcohol has been consumed it would take the patience of a saint to ignore. Throw in a bit of peer pressure, herd mentality and you have a reaction. Not saying it's right, but it's what happens with crowds. The Police know it, the football authorities know it, Hibs fans know it (well maybe not so much- they don't usually have 25k in a stadium), Rangers fans know it. It's a wonder there wasn't a full scale barney and a lot deeper consequences tbh.
I've been to countless finals with Rangers, winning and losing. I can't remember anyone on the pitch. Hibs started this s
te. Some Rangers fans reacted. If the SFA have any balls they'll fk Hibs right up.Take some responsibility for once and stop being so spineless.
The reason a lot of your supporters end up getting so wound up is this pathetic victim mentality. They want to be victims to have something to be offended about.
Driver101 said:
Always an excuse, always the victims. It's always someone else's fault.
Take some responsibility for once and stop being so spineless.
The reason a lot of your supporters end up getting so wound up is this pathetic victim mentality. They want to be victims to have something to be offended about.
I am guessing you have not seen the picture of the aids ridden clown assaulting Lee Wallace then ? Take some responsibility for once and stop being so spineless.
The reason a lot of your supporters end up getting so wound up is this pathetic victim mentality. They want to be victims to have something to be offended about.
Tit.
technodup said:
Driver101 said:
Always an excuse, always the victims. It's always someone else's fault.
No, we're usually the victors. We weren't yesterday, didn't deserve to be.But nor did we invade the pitch. Yesterday was quite clearly Hibs fault.
There isn't hundreds of Rangers fans on the park? There isn't Rangers fans involved in fighting? It was only Hibs fans doing that?
If they get called up to court on assault charges, do you think the jury will accept that because some Hibs fans called them bad names it was justified to go meet them on the pitch for a fight?
There's a really really obvious answer to that, but somehow I know there's more excuses coming.
coffinvalley said:
I am guessing you have not seen the picture of the aids ridden clown assaulting Lee Wallace then ?
Tit.
Why do you all have to add in stupid things like "aids ridden" and all that sTit.
t? Do you feel as if it makes your point stronger? I've not seen a picture of the actual assault. It'd be good to see what the guy actually did.
Hopefully it's a good one and the assault is more justified than the claims of assault on the goalkeeper.
The reports are he was knocked to the ground, they a large group of Hibs fans battered him on the ground. He required to be rescued by other players and security staff.
The reports also say about a black eye and blood.
It sounds like quite a major incident. I'm just surprised that so far there hadn't been any footage of this at all.
There is footage of him walking off the park calmly. He looked ok.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 22 May 16:22
technodup said:
*ignores Driver101*
Seems like a good idea...Meantime in Enbra.
BBC said:
British Transport Police have appealed for information after a Rangers fan was knocked unconscious in an incident at Haymarket Station in Edinburgh.
It happened at about 21:45 on Saturday.
Police said the 37-year-old was approached by two men on platform three and assaulted. One of the men officers are keen to trace was wearing a Hibernian scarf.
The victim was taken hospital where he was treated for head injuries. He was said to be in a stable condition.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...It happened at about 21:45 on Saturday.
Police said the 37-year-old was approached by two men on platform three and assaulted. One of the men officers are keen to trace was wearing a Hibernian scarf.
The victim was taken hospital where he was treated for head injuries. He was said to be in a stable condition.
No doubt his own fault!
matchmaker said:
Are you really making out that a guy getting attacked in a train station is the same as fans going on the park for a fight? Really?Sounds like a shocking incident, but it in no way justifies what happened inside Hampden.
I was intending to keep quiet on these forums, mainly as a result of brain dead idiots who appear to have a deep seated hatred for my club.
I am a season ticket holder at ibrox and have been for many years, I've never been arrested not do I sing songs of a sectarian nature. I was there yesterday and watched the fighting start.
Are you ready.
At full time the pitch was ringed by mainly stewards and some police. At the final whistle, I would describe an initially friendly pitch invasion took place solely by hibs fans. I along with the majority of Rangers supporters didn't really get upset about, there were a few grumbling voices around me.
Then as the numbers swelled on the pitch this brought some towards the rangers fans, a couple of hibs fans got to the advertising boards and no further. This began to upset some of the idiotic elements who tried to push back police and stewards. They failed to do this as it seemed to be a token effort at that stage as well as the cops doing a good job.
Then ONE!!!!!!!! supporter made it out of the stand and jumped pitch side and began swinging at a group of hibs fans who in turn traded blows with him. It was at this point that the few hundred Rangers supporters joined the fray. It was over quite quickly after that.
The overwhelming majority of the remaining support did what I did, that is turn around and leave. This is the second time in as many seasons that opposition fans have run into the pitch to confront us after games.
There is no excuse for this, as well as not excusing fans of my own club. But why is it that whenever a fan of Rangers points out blatantly inexcusable behaviour Manchester is the first thing mentioned.
There are some idiots out there from all walks of life and some of these people support my club, but equally they support other clubs too, and some have even made their way on to this thread.
And just as an aside, I personally didn't see any players being assaulted, I couldn't see much over the masses in the middle, but I saw a bulletin onSTV news that clearly shows it to be true. So the previous posters claims that it didn't happen look ever so silly now.
I am a season ticket holder at ibrox and have been for many years, I've never been arrested not do I sing songs of a sectarian nature. I was there yesterday and watched the fighting start.
Are you ready.
At full time the pitch was ringed by mainly stewards and some police. At the final whistle, I would describe an initially friendly pitch invasion took place solely by hibs fans. I along with the majority of Rangers supporters didn't really get upset about, there were a few grumbling voices around me.
Then as the numbers swelled on the pitch this brought some towards the rangers fans, a couple of hibs fans got to the advertising boards and no further. This began to upset some of the idiotic elements who tried to push back police and stewards. They failed to do this as it seemed to be a token effort at that stage as well as the cops doing a good job.
Then ONE!!!!!!!! supporter made it out of the stand and jumped pitch side and began swinging at a group of hibs fans who in turn traded blows with him. It was at this point that the few hundred Rangers supporters joined the fray. It was over quite quickly after that.
The overwhelming majority of the remaining support did what I did, that is turn around and leave. This is the second time in as many seasons that opposition fans have run into the pitch to confront us after games.
There is no excuse for this, as well as not excusing fans of my own club. But why is it that whenever a fan of Rangers points out blatantly inexcusable behaviour Manchester is the first thing mentioned.
There are some idiots out there from all walks of life and some of these people support my club, but equally they support other clubs too, and some have even made their way on to this thread.
And just as an aside, I personally didn't see any players being assaulted, I couldn't see much over the masses in the middle, but I saw a bulletin onSTV news that clearly shows it to be true. So the previous posters claims that it didn't happen look ever so silly now.
Driver101 said:
Why do you all have to add in stupid things like "aids ridden" and all that st? Do you feel as if it makes your point stronger?
I've not seen a picture of the actual assault. It'd be good to see what the guy actually did.
Hopefully it's a good one and the assault is more justified than the claims of assault on the goalkeeper.
The reports are he was knocked to the ground, they a large group of Hibs fans battered him on the ground. He required to be rescued by other players and security staff.
The reports also say about a black eye and blood.
It sounds like quite a major incident. I'm just surprised that so far there hadn't been any footage of this at all.
There is footage of him walking off the park calmly. He looked ok.
This any use to you mighty mouse? t? Do you feel as if it makes your point stronger? I've not seen a picture of the actual assault. It'd be good to see what the guy actually did.
Hopefully it's a good one and the assault is more justified than the claims of assault on the goalkeeper.
The reports are he was knocked to the ground, they a large group of Hibs fans battered him on the ground. He required to be rescued by other players and security staff.
The reports also say about a black eye and blood.
It sounds like quite a major incident. I'm just surprised that so far there hadn't been any footage of this at all.
There is footage of him walking off the park calmly. He looked ok.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 22 May 16:22
https://www.change.org/p/scottish-football-associa...
Pathetic from the biggest bunch of cry babies in Scottish fitba
Pathetic from the biggest bunch of cry babies in Scottish fitba
Strocky said:
https://www.change.org/p/scottish-football-associa...
Pathetic from the biggest bunch of cry babies in Scottish fitba
You are OK with that picture above? If that had been Rangers supporters attacking opposition players a nuclear bomb would have landed at Ibrox by now. Get your blinkers off.Pathetic from the biggest bunch of cry babies in Scottish fitba
technodup said:
I don't think they are stating it too strongly.Thugs attacking each other on the terraces is bad enough. Running onto the pitch and doing it is even worse.
Attacking players on the pitch is so far beyond the pale that it's disgusting.
For a start, Hibs should be chucked out of next season's cup. (Hibs fan btw)
DocJock said:
Attacking players on the pitch is so far beyond the pale that it's disgusting.
For a start, Hibs should be chucked out of next season's cup. (Hibs fan btw)
Fair play.For a start, Hibs should be chucked out of next season's cup. (Hibs fan btw)
I've got to say I'm pleased with Rangers response. The fans have been through all sorts of crap over the last few years, through no fault of our own. Understandably everyone else has had a field day at our expense, but we're back, we're together and the club is standing firm and backing the fans.
Any cretin could see what happened yesterday so I'm not going back into it. Strange that even Hibs fans agree, just seems to be the Celtic ones who think being shoved, slapped and spat on at your workplace is acceptable.
Ultimately all this episode does is compound the no-one likes us mentality, the sense of injustice and revenge is already is strong re the teams who voted us down and all this does is deepen that. I'm not in favour of the petition either, that's pussy stuff but unfortunately it's the way things are done these days. Rise above the petty s
te, let the police and SFA deal with them. technodup said:
DocJock said:
Attacking players on the pitch is so far beyond the pale that it's disgusting.
For a start, Hibs should be chucked out of next season's cup. (Hibs fan btw)
Fair play.For a start, Hibs should be chucked out of next season's cup. (Hibs fan btw)
I've got to say I'm pleased with Rangers response. The fans have been through all sorts of crap over the last few years, through no fault of our own. Understandably everyone else has had a field day at our expense, but we're back, we're together and the club is standing firm and backing the fans.
Any cretin could see what happened yesterday so I'm not going back into it. Strange that even Hibs fans agree, just seems to be the Celtic ones who think being shoved, slapped and spat on at your workplace is acceptable.
Ultimately all this episode does is compound the no-one likes us mentality, the sense of injustice and revenge is already is strong re the teams who voted us down and all this does is deepen that. I'm not in favour of the petition either, that's pussy stuff but unfortunately it's the way things are done these days. Rise above the petty s
te, let the police and SFA deal with them. Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff