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Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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technodup said:
Frankly I don't really care about a second by second account of what happened, I'm over it.

Bottom line is a lot of Hibs fans acted like pricks, a much smaller number of Rangers fans retaliated and some sang a banned song. The police and SFA can deal with it from there, with ALL the available evidence and I'm pretty sure on which side the most serious sanctions will fall.
You're over it? I'm not a betting man, but even I'd love odds on that.

The problems is people aren't going to get over it. Fans are bombarding everyone and anyone for every last bit of action to be taken if it's relevant or not as they've been goaded by Rangers.

The investigation has barely started and people have got way ahead of themselves placing the guilt everywhere else and wanting action to happen now, or trying to influence, prejudice or bully the outcome.

There's going to be numerous people charged with more serious offences, but I think we already know that's not going to go down well. Most of the fighting was handbags stuff, but here is some more serious incidents that just can't be ignored, although people are trying hard to tell us they must be.

I think everyone will realise that Hibs are going to be hit the hardest on the footballing side of things. On the criminal side of things, I really don't know from the footage doing the rounds. There's numerous acts of unjustified violence.

I fail to understand how people can't disconnect what happens at one side of the park to the other. Each incident is very different.

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 24th May 19:57

RFC1

1,107 posts

196 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Driver101 said:
You're over it? I'm not a betting man, but even I'd love odds on that.

The problems is people aren't going to get over it. Fans are bombarding everyone and anyone for every last bit of action to be taken if it's relevant or not as they've been goaded by Rangers.

The investigation has barely started and people have got way ahead of themselves placing the guilt everywhere else and wanting action to happen now.

There's going to be numerous people charged with more serious offences, but I think we already know that's not going to go down well. Most of the fighting was handbags stuff, but here is some more serious incidents that just can't be ignored, although people are trying hard to tell us they must be.

I think everyone will realise that Hibs are going to be hit the hardest on the footballing side of things. On the criminal side of things, I really don't know from the footage doing the rounds. There's numerous acts of unjustified violence.

I fail to understand how people can't disconnect what happens at one side of the park to the other. Each incident is very different.
What do you mean by "Hibs are going to be hit the hardest on the footballing side of things", as far as i know nothing occurred during the actual football match for either club to be punished........
As for what happened after the final whistle, well thats all criminal aint it.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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RFC1 said:
What do you mean by "Hibs are going to be hit the hardest on the footballing side of things", as far as i know nothing occurred during the actual football match for either club to be punished........
As for what happened after the final whistle, well thats all criminal aint it.
I would not be surprised to see fines handed down to Hibs and the main instigators who ran up to the Rangers fans banned.

I'm not sure they'd go as far as kicking them out of the cup, but maybe restricted tickets, or playing behind closed doors for a game or two.

I don't see them getting kicked out of Europe. That's a different competition and this was an isolated incident.

The other incidents do indeed move on to criminal matters. Maybe even the goading might be considered so too? That would open a can of worms though.

moanthebairns

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17,918 posts

197 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Driver101 said:
technodup said:
We don't care.

The level of denial here is so mental there's no point in having any sort of discussion so I'll just dip in and out and laugh at the diddy teams and their diddy fans drunk on their one off success we've had 33 times.
What level of denial?

Rangers fans and Rangers are going mental about the attack on their team and fans. At the same time they talk about restraint. That's beyond all comprehension.

Every video floating about the internet shows Rangers' fans playing a 50:50 part in fights. Then there's that video with a Rangers' official.

Not even the faintest bit of evidence on the other side.

We went through all the same stuff last season. There was no evidence as there was no evidence.

It's not a cover up, your just a bunch of sore losers doing everything to play the victims. How are you not embarrassed?



Edited by Driver101 on Saturday 21st May 23:56
This.

Rangers fans through and through. rolleyes

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Kaj91 said:
pcvdriver said:
Kaj91 said:
technodup said:
No one likes us... smile
Salt of the earth https://youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A
Careful, I got a ban for posting that video.....oh, and GGTTH!!!
I've added a NSFW to my original post due to the language. Apologies to the mods in advance.
Never seen that video before. Retards. Jeez.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Pillskii said:
Hibs fan here. No excuses for the trouble yesterday, Hibs should rightly be punished. I believe that whilst Hibs fans instigated the trouble, some goading and intimidation isn't an excuse for rangers fans to also enter the pitch. They should also face some punishment although a much lesser punishment than Hibs.

Rangers second statement I find embarrassing, riddled with hypocrisy and slanderous. An independent investigation is underway, there was no need for the statement. it severely lacks professionalism and I hope Hibs don't get drawn into the war of words, take our punishment and apologise where appropriate.
I agree - the enquiry will find Hibs fans, Rangers fans, stewards and police all liable in different ways. Both clubs will be fined.

There's some group funding going about on Hibees Bounce to over the fines.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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simoid said:
I don't specifically know what steps - but as I understand it clubs don't get punished for sectarian songs if they show they've taken all reasonable measures to stop it.

Is there anything else in particular you'd like to see the Rangers board state? What would you advise would diffuse the situation - or should they stay silent on these matters?
Which reasonable measures were taken to stop sectarian songs?

They allowed (and always allow) provocative flags, slogans, t-shirts, etc. Sectarianism needs to be wiped out of Scottish culture. Rangers and Celtic as well as the various authorities need to take forceful action.

Why do they welcome those idiots to their stadium? Or is it just too ingrained in their club's culture?

technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Anti-Rangers cabal at it again. It's quite funny really.

The denial isn't about a few fistfights. It's that tens of thousands of Hibs fans entering the field of play and making their way towards the Rangers end wasn't in any way provocative. No siree, nothing to see here.

Anyway, at the end of all this, regardless of punishments meted out Hibs will still be a diddy team in a diddy league. There can be no denying that. Let's see how many of their 25k fannies turn up to game one v Dumbarton or whoever... compared with the 50+ thousand at Ibrox.




Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Granfondo said:
Just watching highlights of the SCFinal and it's a real shame that we are talking about the afters instead of a really good game!
Never was a truer word said - it was a cracking game of football.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Driver101 said:
RFC1 said:
What do you mean by "Hibs are going to be hit the hardest on the footballing side of things", as far as i know nothing occurred during the actual football match for either club to be punished........
As for what happened after the final whistle, well thats all criminal aint it.
I would not be surprised to see fines handed down to Hibs and the main instigators who ran up to the Rangers fans banned.

I'm not sure they'd go as far as kicking them out of the cup, but maybe restricted tickets, or playing behind closed doors for a game or two.

I don't see them getting kicked out of Europe. That's a different competition and this was an isolated incident.

The other incidents do indeed move on to criminal matters. Maybe even the goading might be considered so too? That would open a can of worms though.
Hibs will be fined. They won't be banned from anything or kicked out of any cup.

It was a one off and there are additional circumstances to consider: i) fans frustration from recent losses in league cup final and promotion games; ii) not winning the Scottish cup for so long; iii) wining via a last minute goal after all the "Hibsed it" chat.

Bearing all that mind, why were all the police round the Rangers end? Reputation? Fear? The security chiefs can't expect a few stewards to stop a pitch invasion by a few hundred fans.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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technodup said:
Anti-Rangers cabal at it again. It's quite funny really.

The denial isn't about a few fistfights. It's that tens of thousands of Hibs fans entering the field of play and making their way towards the Rangers end wasn't in any way provocative. No siree, nothing to see here.

Anyway, at the end of all this, regardless of punishments meted out Hibs will still be a diddy team in a diddy league. There can be no denying that. Let's see how many of their 25k fannies turn up to game one v Dumbarton or whoever... compared with the 50+ thousand at Ibrox.



Tens of thousands of Hibs fans? rolleyes

Do you really think Rangers don't deserve all the criticism? They've brought and continue to bring the Scottish game of football into disrepute. They're cheats. Their fans carry sectarian hatred around and spread it around Scotland. Certainly not all but many of their fans are scumbags.

If you ask me, Scottish culture would be far better off without Rangers and Celtic.

Rant over.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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technodup said:
Anti-Rangers cabal at it again. It's quite funny really.

The denial isn't about a few fistfights. It's that tens of thousands of Hibs fans entering the field of play and making their way towards the Rangers end wasn't in any way provocative. No siree, nothing to see here.

Anyway, at the end of all this, regardless of punishments meted out Hibs will still be a diddy team in a diddy league. There can be no denying that. Let's see how many of their 25k fannies turn up to game one v Dumbarton or whoever... compared with the 50+ thousand at Ibrox.



Nobody has said Hibs fans approaching the Rangers fans and goading them wasn't provocative. How do you keep managing to make this stuff up?

How you keep justifying the goading permits acts of violence I just don't know. From the people standing in front of the Rangers fans, how many of them were actually attacked? Most of the main incidents captured are nowhere near where this goading took place.

All those tough men and women standing in front of the Rangers fans goading them, yet at the other side of the park you've got men manhandling a child and three big Rangers fans battering a skinny Hibs fans who was trying to get away. They were not defending themselves, they were not defending the players, they were acting like thugs. You can't justify ganging up on the smallest guys and booting them in the head when they are on the ground, then say goading was the reason.

How on earth you can still stand there and excuse and deflect is beyond all words. Your tunnel vision is very concentrated.

Four days later and the evidence is still not stacking up. Camera footage from every angle with the players filmed from the pitch to the tunnel doesn't show up close to what has been suggested. Most of the fighting was hangbags. The more serious assaults appear to feature more Rangers fans.

I think even Rangers fans know the most serious incident against their players was the guy swinging at Wallace. The witchhunt is well under way and that's getting so out of hand. He does obviously deserve punishment, but bombarding his friends, family, work, place of further education is way over the top. Every last detail about the guy is out there.

In response to an act of violence that everyone knows was wrong, he's facing nothing but threats of violence and abuse.


Goading Hibs fans with diddy comments is uncalled for and irrelevant to the discussion of the violence on Saturday.

When is goading allowed and not allowed in your opinion? I haven't worked out where you set the dividing line. It appear you can goad people, but people can't goat you?

Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 25th May 11:46

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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I think the difference in goading is when one is on the internet, and the other is by thousands of people illegally on a football pitch, when players are being assaulted.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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simoid said:
I think the difference in goading is when one is on the internet, and the other is by thousands of people illegally on a football pitch, when players are being assaulted.
People had no idea about the players being assaulted at the time. That's another irreverent factor that was used as an excuse. Obviously the people doing the goading were at the Rangers end and not near the players either.

The segregation point at Hampden is the middle of the park. There's about 20-30 yards between rival fans.

If you've ever had the misfortune to sit there you'll understand what severe goading and provocation is. The taunts are relentless, spitting, abuse and throwing stuff is all very common.

However if fans charged there nobody would hide behind the excuse of goading as an excuse for doing so.

So how much difference does it make when fans stand 30 yards in front of you? How does that make violence ok?

technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Driver101 said:
Long winded anti-Rangers waffle
What will be will be, I'm comfortable with that. I don't feel the need to forensically examine every tweet and photo released.

Like I said, I'm over it. For now.

Rangers as a club, a team and a set of fans have a point to prove though. We've taken four years of goading from rival fans, clubs, the press, courts, online and at games. It won't be forgotten in a hurry. If you thought we were unbearable before... well I suspect we'll be doing this all over again soon. smile

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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technodup said:
hat will be will be, I'm comfortable with that. I don't feel the need to forensically examine every tweet and photo released.

Like I said, I'm over it. For now.

Rangers as a club, a team and a set of fans have a point to prove though. We've taken four years of goading from rival fans, clubs, the press, courts, online and at games. It won't be forgotten in a hurry. If you thought we were unbearable before... well I suspect we'll be doing this all over again soon. smile
Rangers fans have goaded everyone for all their existence.

What point do you have to prove? Pick a fight with everyone for the sake of it?

That's why nobody takes Rangers' protests seriously. They are just constantly moaning about absolutely everything. Usually there is absolutely no substance to their complaints. Wolf has been cried too often to give Rangers any benefit of the doubt..

If you guys got on with the football without trying to harm other teams and calling half the countries integrity into question with no substance, you wouldn't face the backlash you guys bring on yourself.

It's the fact that the behaviour of too many Rangers fans is unbearable that you get treatment in return.

As I said earlier, maybe stop getting retaliation in first?

Two simple way to avoid getting your face rubbed in it. 1) show a bit of decency
2) make sure you've got a good enough team that you're not going to get ripped to bits.

I'd stick to the first one for a while yet.


On the events of game two men have been in court today.

One young Hibs fan has admitted guilt under the Offensive Behaviour Act. He admitted making an offensive gesture towards the Rangers goalkeeper. He hasn't been sentenced and it is his first offence.


The young guy that is the main guy in the entire situation has been charged with attempting to punch Wallace and Holt.

So as we had previously watched in the videos, there was no actual contact. Still serious but the massive claims are all falling apart by the day.

Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 25th May 18:30

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Nanook said:
Edinburger said:
Scottish culture would be far better off without Rangers and Celtic.

Rant over.
You any I appear to disagree over on the indy thread, but I can agree with this.

I think the singing and sectarian side of things, the general bigotry, perhaps isn't quite as bad as it was 20 years ago, but they're never going to completely eradicate it, and it's a horrible thing.
Yes I'm sure 2 of the vehicles for imbecilic behaviour are the problem, and not the imbeciles themselves.

technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Drivel101 said:
more long winded anti-Rangers waffle
I think you're a bit socially inept, which given your ever patronising tone doesn't surprise me.

I've tried several times to basically close this as a discussion, certainly from my side, but you respond with a long and tedious post opening exactly the same crap up again. You're either not picking up on it, or you're deliberately ignoring it.

Either way we've heard your opinion. More explanation is unnecessary.

DocJock

8,341 posts

239 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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He will keep going as long as you keep responding to him.


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