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Sutton does need to tone it down a bit. He usually makes the point everyone is thinking, but he does usually give his opinion in a very negative manner.
He has spent the last few years constantly slating Ronny Deila and the Celtic board. Even though his point was accurate he didn't half go on about it. Ronny is a long time out the door, but he can't see let it go. Somehow positive Celtic play ends up in him having another go about Ronny.
As for the Craig Thomson incident, how can anyone argue against the ref bottled it? Everyone knew that was a sending off and were amazed he let it go. There is one explanation to why he didn't show the yellow as it was clear as day.
If that error happened late in the season where places were at risk, a far bigger deal would have been made of it. A couple of games into the season people have let it slip, but he's going to be under increased scrutiny for the rest of the season.
Sutton is now getting ripped to bits for the "horrendous" comments. I can't understand why so many people are getting wound up as most people have said the very same, although using tamer language.
People are just a bit too sensitive these days. I'd understand their argument if Sutton was wrong, but although people are getting all angry,they actually agree with him. It's an odd fight over not a lot.
He has spent the last few years constantly slating Ronny Deila and the Celtic board. Even though his point was accurate he didn't half go on about it. Ronny is a long time out the door, but he can't see let it go. Somehow positive Celtic play ends up in him having another go about Ronny.
As for the Craig Thomson incident, how can anyone argue against the ref bottled it? Everyone knew that was a sending off and were amazed he let it go. There is one explanation to why he didn't show the yellow as it was clear as day.
If that error happened late in the season where places were at risk, a far bigger deal would have been made of it. A couple of games into the season people have let it slip, but he's going to be under increased scrutiny for the rest of the season.
Sutton is now getting ripped to bits for the "horrendous" comments. I can't understand why so many people are getting wound up as most people have said the very same, although using tamer language.
People are just a bit too sensitive these days. I'd understand their argument if Sutton was wrong, but although people are getting all angry,they actually agree with him. It's an odd fight over not a lot.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 28th August 16:55
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 28th August 16:57
technodup said:
I might have known it was something to do with the famous Glasgow Rangers, the bitter 
's as obsessed as the fannies in the stands. "We knew they'd lie down" etc. 
Gobste prick.
Anything that gets it right up him is fine by me.
Methinks Doris Stokes has been on the cooking sherry's as obsessed as the fannies in the stands. "We knew they'd lie down" etc. Gobste prick.Anything that gets it right up him is fine by me.
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
Why are The Rangers so "shocked" about the charge about fan behaviour at the Scottish Cup final?
Whiter than white, eh?
If you're read that they are shocked then you've also read the reason why.Whiter than white, eh?
Pointless anti Rangers pish as ever.
Since you've catastrophically misunderstood another point Edinburger:
RANGERS’ Directors are shocked at the charges issued by the Scottish FA’s Compliance Officer in the wake of the pitch invasion at the end of the Scottish Cup final last May.
It is alarming that the governance of Scottish football is so lacking that it is impossible for the Scottish FA to guarantee the safety of footballers at the country’s showpiece event. The SFA is either unwilling or is powerless when it comes to taking the appropriate punitive action against the offenders.
A number of Rangers players were assaulted by Hibernian supporters in broad daylight on the Hampden surface and a repeat of this must be avoided at all costs. That should have been the priority of the SFA. Yet, the governing body insists it is not within its remit to issue any charges let alone punishments for such violent and dangerous misconduct. Instead of player and supporter safety they have placed all their emphasis and importance on the monetary value of a set of goalposts, pieces of turf, and advertising boards.
Rangers Directors will take time to consider an appropriate and more comprehensive response to redress our grievances but for the moment the board fully endorses the incredulity and anger of all Rangers supporters.
RANGERS’ Directors are shocked at the charges issued by the Scottish FA’s Compliance Officer in the wake of the pitch invasion at the end of the Scottish Cup final last May.
It is alarming that the governance of Scottish football is so lacking that it is impossible for the Scottish FA to guarantee the safety of footballers at the country’s showpiece event. The SFA is either unwilling or is powerless when it comes to taking the appropriate punitive action against the offenders.
A number of Rangers players were assaulted by Hibernian supporters in broad daylight on the Hampden surface and a repeat of this must be avoided at all costs. That should have been the priority of the SFA. Yet, the governing body insists it is not within its remit to issue any charges let alone punishments for such violent and dangerous misconduct. Instead of player and supporter safety they have placed all their emphasis and importance on the monetary value of a set of goalposts, pieces of turf, and advertising boards.
Rangers Directors will take time to consider an appropriate and more comprehensive response to redress our grievances but for the moment the board fully endorses the incredulity and anger of all Rangers supporters.
I don't know how Rangers can't separate the acts of vandalism and violence from the player assaults, most of which nobody actually seen/didn't even take place.
Each incident has to be treated separately as they are completely different incidents. It's a weak excuse to hide behind events that didn't actually happen, plus the fans 100 yards away couldn't have possibly seen even if they did happen.
I don't think it's fair to say the monetary value of the items is more important either. They've cooperated, handed out banning orders and allowed for all the criminal investigation and charges to happen first.
It's a very bad statement to put out again.
EDIT....I said unfair rather than fair...
Each incident has to be treated separately as they are completely different incidents. It's a weak excuse to hide behind events that didn't actually happen, plus the fans 100 yards away couldn't have possibly seen even if they did happen.
I don't think it's fair to say the monetary value of the items is more important either. They've cooperated, handed out banning orders and allowed for all the criminal investigation and charges to happen first.
It's a very bad statement to put out again.
EDIT....I said unfair rather than fair...
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 1st September 08:47
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 1st September 08:49
simoid said:
Since you've catastrophically misunderstood another point Edinburger:
RANGERS’ Directors are shocked at the charges issued by the Scottish FA’s Compliance Officer in the wake of the pitch invasion at the end of the Scottish Cup final last May.
It is alarming that the governance of Scottish football is so lacking that it is impossible for the Scottish FA to guarantee the safety of footballers at the country’s showpiece event. The SFA is either unwilling or is powerless when it comes to taking the appropriate punitive action against the offenders.
A number of Rangers players were assaulted by Hibernian supporters in broad daylight on the Hampden surface and a repeat of this must be avoided at all costs. That should have been the priority of the SFA. Yet, the governing body insists it is not within its remit to issue any charges let alone punishments for such violent and dangerous misconduct. Instead of player and supporter safety they have placed all their emphasis and importance on the monetary value of a set of goalposts, pieces of turf, and advertising boards.
Rangers Directors will take time to consider an appropriate and more comprehensive response to redress our grievances but for the moment the board fully endorses the incredulity and anger of all Rangers supporters.
It makes me laugh the way you pigeon-hole all posters in your warped view of the world. Glad you're not a school teacher. RANGERS’ Directors are shocked at the charges issued by the Scottish FA’s Compliance Officer in the wake of the pitch invasion at the end of the Scottish Cup final last May.
It is alarming that the governance of Scottish football is so lacking that it is impossible for the Scottish FA to guarantee the safety of footballers at the country’s showpiece event. The SFA is either unwilling or is powerless when it comes to taking the appropriate punitive action against the offenders.
A number of Rangers players were assaulted by Hibernian supporters in broad daylight on the Hampden surface and a repeat of this must be avoided at all costs. That should have been the priority of the SFA. Yet, the governing body insists it is not within its remit to issue any charges let alone punishments for such violent and dangerous misconduct. Instead of player and supporter safety they have placed all their emphasis and importance on the monetary value of a set of goalposts, pieces of turf, and advertising boards.
Rangers Directors will take time to consider an appropriate and more comprehensive response to redress our grievances but for the moment the board fully endorses the incredulity and anger of all Rangers supporters.
Driver101 said:
I don't know how Rangers can't separate the acts of vandalism and violence from the player assaults, most of which nobody actually seen/didn't even take place.
Each incident has to be treated separately as they are completely different incidents. It's a weak excuse to hide behind events that didn't actually happen, plus the fans 100 yards away couldn't have possibly seen even if they did happen.
I don't think it's unfair to say the monetary value of the items is more important either. They've cooperated, handed out banning orders and allowed for all the criminal investigation and charges to happen first.
It's a very bad statement to put out again.
Good points. Each incident has to be treated separately as they are completely different incidents. It's a weak excuse to hide behind events that didn't actually happen, plus the fans 100 yards away couldn't have possibly seen even if they did happen.
I don't think it's unfair to say the monetary value of the items is more important either. They've cooperated, handed out banning orders and allowed for all the criminal investigation and charges to happen first.
It's a very bad statement to put out again.
No one can disagree that both sets of fans (those who went on the pitch) were completely out of order.
Most rational people can understand the sentiment of the Hibs fans who initially ran on, after the well known frustrations of not winning the Scottish Cup for so long. But why did Rangers fans run into the pitch, if not to cause trouble?
Stewarding was woefully unprepared and poorly planned too and should share blame.
Edinburger said:
Most rational people can understand the sentiment of the Hibs fans
Most rational people couldn't give a flying fk about sentiment of some diddy clubs ned fans.I've not had my hole for a wee while, if I go out today and forcibly pump some bird you're going to 'understand' because it's been a wee while? f
k off.Your contribution this morning is to not understand Rangers statement even though it's clearly set out, you can't believe some people prefer not to be forced to fund the BBC, and there's probably some confused pish in the indy thread I haven't looked at yet. Maybe you should just stay indoors/offline, it's clearly all a bit much for you.
technodup said:
ost rational people couldn't give a flying fk about sentiment of some diddy clubs ned fans.
I've not had my hole for a wee while, if I go out today and forcibly pump some bird you're going to 'understand' because it's been a wee while? fk off.
Your contribution this morning is to not understand Rangers statement even though it's clearly set out, you can't believe some people prefer not to be forced to fund the BBC, and there's probably some confused pish in the indy thread I haven't looked at yet. Maybe you should just stay indoors/offline, it's clearly all a bit much for you.
Come on Technodup, can you not manage a single post with all the insulting drivel? k about sentiment of some diddy clubs ned fans.I've not had my hole for a wee while, if I go out today and forcibly pump some bird you're going to 'understand' because it's been a wee while? f
k off.Your contribution this morning is to not understand Rangers statement even though it's clearly set out, you can't believe some people prefer not to be forced to fund the BBC, and there's probably some confused pish in the indy thread I haven't looked at yet. Maybe you should just stay indoors/offline, it's clearly all a bit much for you.
Your analogy isn't remotely close to what happened though, is it?
Yes the Hibs fans goaded the Rangers fans, but what happened after that was very much a two way thing and not forced. People made the decision to leave their seats and come on to the park to be involved. There was a choice.
We get it. We get that you despise Rangers. We get that you hate our history and traditions. We get that all the diddy clubs feel hard done by. We get that all the refs and the SFA are masons. We get that our fans are knuckle dragging, flag waving unionists. We get that lots of decisions have been made re Rangers that you disagree with. But...
we are Rangers, super Rangers, no-one likes us, we don't care.
Not directed at anyone in particular, just tired of the anti Rangers bullst. Get over it.
we are Rangers, super Rangers, no-one likes us, we don't care.
Not directed at anyone in particular, just tired of the anti Rangers bulls
t. Get over it.Edinburger said:
It makes me laugh the way you pigeon-hole all posters in your warped view of the world. Glad you're not a school teacher.
Errr... I don't pigeon hole anyone. I do, however, notice fairly often you get the wrong end of a completely different stick to the point being made and point this out on occasion.For example, once again, in the post to which I currently reply.
It heartens me, however, to find out you think I have a warped view of the world. I'm obviously doing something right.
reggaj said:
BBC Scotland's The Game, Regarding EBTs, Big Eck "If we didn't pay the money on wages Celtic were paying we'd have been behind them" that sounds like a sporting advantage to me.
Right enough -Last night half asleep I thought Eck said something along the lines of "If we only paid the wages Celtic were paying we'd have been behind them".Always believed Rangers were top of the wages league as well as the transfer fees. Within that period O'Neill was probably the last Celtic manager to have an expensively assembled team and matching wage bill.
Interesting documentary for a second week. I didn't know that much about the TV deal self destruction. But Roger Mitchell did get to come across as "wasn't me, the teams couldn't agree.....". Dunno if that was entirely the case.
The mini series has been great. Its refreshing having it all laid out for everyone to see just how greedy and inept the people in charge of Scottish football are.
The TV deal time destroyed Scottish football. They thought, we're set for life and totally forgot about the rest of Scottish football. Bringing in the 10,000 seater rule was on the back of this, killing a fair few clubs in the process.
Motherwell are a classic example of the top teams looking after their own. A team that should have been relegated and finished off are saved last minute due to denying Falkirk promotion due to them needing to ground share for a season whilst building a new ground. Yet next year allowing ICT to groundshare with Aberdeen.
The organisation is a cluster fk of biblical proportions and clubs are as guilty. The only thing they have done is listen to fans and rightfully demote Rangers to the bottom of Scottish football. May I add I hate Rangers and Celtic equally, but I remember holding back my season ticket renewal at that point because I vowed never to go back if any other decision was reached.
People praise the fact we now have play offs etc, we had these before, fans loved them. Everyone forgets these bds took them away. They never had a sponsor for years for the leagues. The Challenge cup is a joke, the league cup is meh. Its really not fking hard, the problem is all the teams at the top are run as a business and would sooner it stays the same. They don't want a tough league, at least at the bottom. They are too busy feeding of the scraps of the old firm.
The fact we now play in excess of 50 games of a season is a joke, people are saturated with football, and they keep plugging more and more from the fan rather than going less is better. People pick and choose games now (well I don't but most do) years ago they went every week. TV coverage times are fking st, the selling the rights to BBC alba is a joke, or at least the viewing times and choice of games. I could go on and on.
The TV deal time destroyed Scottish football. They thought, we're set for life and totally forgot about the rest of Scottish football. Bringing in the 10,000 seater rule was on the back of this, killing a fair few clubs in the process.
Motherwell are a classic example of the top teams looking after their own. A team that should have been relegated and finished off are saved last minute due to denying Falkirk promotion due to them needing to ground share for a season whilst building a new ground. Yet next year allowing ICT to groundshare with Aberdeen.
The organisation is a cluster f
k of biblical proportions and clubs are as guilty. The only thing they have done is listen to fans and rightfully demote Rangers to the bottom of Scottish football. May I add I hate Rangers and Celtic equally, but I remember holding back my season ticket renewal at that point because I vowed never to go back if any other decision was reached. People praise the fact we now have play offs etc, we had these before, fans loved them. Everyone forgets these b
ds took them away. They never had a sponsor for years for the leagues. The Challenge cup is a joke, the league cup is meh. Its really not fking hard, the problem is all the teams at the top are run as a business and would sooner it stays the same. They don't want a tough league, at least at the bottom. They are too busy feeding of the scraps of the old firm. The fact we now play in excess of 50 games of a season is a joke, people are saturated with football, and they keep plugging more and more from the fan rather than going less is better. People pick and choose games now (well I don't but most do) years ago they went every week. TV coverage times are f
king st, the selling the rights to BBC alba is a joke, or at least the viewing times and choice of games. I could go on and on. I missed it last week, but I did watch last night. It was an alright watch.
The TV deal was one of the most stupid things ever to happen is Scottish football. A deal worth a lot of money, or no deal appeared to be an easy choice at the time.
You couldn't cover all the financial fk ups in Scottish football in an hour. It was a reasonable overview though.
Ann Budge actually comes across as a decent person.
I think big Eck lost a lot of friends stating the obvious last night too.
The TV deal was one of the most stupid things ever to happen is Scottish football. A deal worth a lot of money, or no deal appeared to be an easy choice at the time.
You couldn't cover all the financial f
k ups in Scottish football in an hour. It was a reasonable overview though. Ann Budge actually comes across as a decent person.
I think big Eck lost a lot of friends stating the obvious last night too.
Away from the big boys I liked Stuart Cosgrove's opinion and summary of Mileson's Gretna. Happy to see a journo put across exactly how I felt.
I remember the Dumfries area flooding with Gretna shirts and many glory hunters with little or no connection to the the town (a bit like a mini version of Old Firm Exodus I guess) looking down on Little Queen of the South.
Oh, how I laughed when it imploded! I'm not laughing at Mileson's unfortunate demise, the implosion would still have happened eventually when his pot run dry in the most unsustainable of unsustainable business models.
Administration of Hearts, Dundee, Motherwell, nearly Celtic (Years before TV Disaster), Livingston. Liquidation of Rangers and Gretna. Will lesson's slowly be learned?
I like to think Queen of the South is run on "spend only the money we have".
I believe Budge and Dempster are working to achieve stability in Edinburgh, although Hibs are probably taking a punt beyond their means with Lennon to get back to the big table.
I remember the Dumfries area flooding with Gretna shirts and many glory hunters with little or no connection to the the town (a bit like a mini version of Old Firm Exodus I guess) looking down on Little Queen of the South.
Oh, how I laughed when it imploded! I'm not laughing at Mileson's unfortunate demise, the implosion would still have happened eventually when his pot run dry in the most unsustainable of unsustainable business models.
Administration of Hearts, Dundee, Motherwell, nearly Celtic (Years before TV Disaster), Livingston. Liquidation of Rangers and Gretna. Will lesson's slowly be learned?
I like to think Queen of the South is run on "spend only the money we have".
I believe Budge and Dempster are working to achieve stability in Edinburgh, although Hibs are probably taking a punt beyond their means with Lennon to get back to the big table.
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