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glasgowrob said:
I must be an evil person, I have to admit I was laughing when I heard about it, Only in Scottish football
The scariest thing is how desperate people were for it to be true just so they could make an issue of it.Glad it was false. I didn't have moanthebairns down to be as gullible, unless he's going to say he was adding to the wind-up?
Driver101 said:
Songs lead to anger that leads to trouble. It leads to a bad image that drags everyone in. Some people appear proud of the bad image.
We're not going to go down the words don't hurt route now are we?
That's the point, it is about image. For the telly. You simply cannot ban songs, they'll always exist. All a 'ban' does is displace the song and the anger to other places less well controlled e.g. wee diddy towns, high streets and pubs after the game. That's where most of the trouble is these days anyway.We're not going to go down the words don't hurt route now are we?
It's a stupid idea, completely unworkable and a sticking plaster on a much wider problem which you fail to recognise. Fairly typical of the SNP, no real clout so fannying about with nonsense like this to make them feel like they're 'doing' something.
And that's before we even discuss the actual 'offence' involved. AFAIK we don't have a right not to be offended.
Anyway as ever we're not going to agree and as I'm not offended I'll leave it here.
There where laws in place to cover people signing racist/sexist/sectarian songs in public, however the SNP empowered the police to target anyone with a football match ticket to be viewed as different from the rest of society, that's where the OFBA falls down (and should be repealed)
Should people be arrested for signing racist/sectarian songs of hatred, YES
Should people arrested for signing folk songs or anthems that wind up the opposition but don't contain sectarian/racist/sexist references but may offend - NO
Another thing that isn't helpful is when Christine Graham MSP complains that under the old 2003 act, a certain team from the south of Glasgow where more likely to be arrested than those from the east
It also isn't helpful when Kenny McAskill MSP praised the atmosphere at an Old Firm Cup Final after the Billy Boys (a clearly sectarian song) was belted out by the majority of the Rangers support that day on numerous occassions
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12802149
He's also has a bit of a cheek having a go at football supporters and their behaviour when he was chucked in the cells for the same offence at an England / Scotland football match
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/535592.stm
Should people be arrested for signing racist/sectarian songs of hatred, YES
Should people arrested for signing folk songs or anthems that wind up the opposition but don't contain sectarian/racist/sexist references but may offend - NO
Another thing that isn't helpful is when Christine Graham MSP complains that under the old 2003 act, a certain team from the south of Glasgow where more likely to be arrested than those from the east
It also isn't helpful when Kenny McAskill MSP praised the atmosphere at an Old Firm Cup Final after the Billy Boys (a clearly sectarian song) was belted out by the majority of the Rangers support that day on numerous occassions
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12802149
He's also has a bit of a cheek having a go at football supporters and their behaviour when he was chucked in the cells for the same offence at an England / Scotland football match
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/535592.stm
technodup said:
Driver101 said:
Songs lead to anger that leads to trouble. It leads to a bad image that drags everyone in. Some people appear proud of the bad image.
We're not going to go down the words don't hurt route now are we?
That's the point, it is about image. For the telly. You simply cannot ban songs, they'll always exist. All a 'ban' does is displace the song and the anger to other places less well controlled e.g. wee diddy towns, high streets and pubs after the game. That's where most of the trouble is these days anyway.We're not going to go down the words don't hurt route now are we?
It's a stupid idea, completely unworkable and a sticking plaster on a much wider problem which you fail to recognise. Fairly typical of the SNP, no real clout so fannying about with nonsense like this to make them feel like they're 'doing' something.
And that's before we even discuss the actual 'offence' involved. AFAIK we don't have a right not to be offended.
Anyway as ever we're not going to agree and as I'm not offended I'll leave it here.
Look at how people were crying and moaning like kids kicking off over absolutely nothing and giving the moderator constant grief for next to nothing.
Words on the internet and people were getting angry and calling for people to be banned from an internet thread, whilst abusing them.
Your actions and previous behaviour are at odds to your opinion.
Laughable.
Driver101 said:
How many time have you chucked the toys out the pram in the other football threads and get angry with an opinion?
Look at how people were crying and moaning like kids kicking off over absolutely nothing and giving the moderator constant grief for next to nothing.
Words on the internet and people were getting angry and calling for people to be banned from an internet thread, whilst abusing them.
Some facts...Look at how people were crying and moaning like kids kicking off over absolutely nothing and giving the moderator constant grief for next to nothing.
Words on the internet and people were getting angry and calling for people to be banned from an internet thread, whilst abusing them.
1. never reported a post in my life, nor messaged a moderator
2. never called for anyone to be banned in my life
3. never been deliberately abusive
4. never been banned, sin binned or directly warned for anything here and the only forum I ever was banned from was FollowFollow which doesn't really fit your argument
5. did question the need for a constant Celtic presence on a Rangers thread
I'm very much in the speak and let speak camp. Who actually cares what some pleb on the internet thinks? Or what some fans sing to others? Not me.
But conflate 'me' and 'people' all you like. It's still bulls
t.Anyway, like I said I'm out. Much as I'm sure you'd love to construct long and tedious posts about the minutiae of what everyone said ever in the Rangers thread I couldn't give a toss.
technodup said:
ome facts...
1. never reported a post in my life, nor messaged a moderator
2. never called for anyone to be banned in my life
3. never been deliberately abusive
4. never been banned, sin binned or directly warned for anything here and the only forum I ever was banned from was FollowFollow which doesn't really fit your argument
5. did question the need for a constant Celtic presence on a Rangers thread
I'm very much in the speak and let speak camp. Who actually cares what some pleb on the internet thinks? Or what some fans sing to others? Not me.
But conflate 'me' and 'people' all you like. It's still bullst.
Anyway, like I said I'm out. Much as I'm sure you'd love to construct long and tedious posts about the minutiae of what everyone said ever in the Rangers thread I couldn't give a toss.
You constantly moaned about everything Celtic fans did. Look at this, oh look at that. That is offensive, I'm upset. Go back and read some of your statements in both the Rangers and Celtic threads that you took part in. 1. never reported a post in my life, nor messaged a moderator
2. never called for anyone to be banned in my life
3. never been deliberately abusive
4. never been banned, sin binned or directly warned for anything here and the only forum I ever was banned from was FollowFollow which doesn't really fit your argument
5. did question the need for a constant Celtic presence on a Rangers thread
I'm very much in the speak and let speak camp. Who actually cares what some pleb on the internet thinks? Or what some fans sing to others? Not me.
But conflate 'me' and 'people' all you like. It's still bulls
t.Anyway, like I said I'm out. Much as I'm sure you'd love to construct long and tedious posts about the minutiae of what everyone said ever in the Rangers thread I couldn't give a toss.
You cried and moaned like a 5 year year old and were constantly offended. You dragged every discussion in to tit for tat and were warned openly on the forum for doing so.
You all ganged up on one moderator, then another said the exact same thing when he had to take control.
You were very upset that a very small amount of people booed during a silence, but your excusing people glorifying the death of people as saying it's only a song????
Anyway my deluded internet friend, I'm not getting back into this rubbish again. You're impossible to have a civilised discussion with as you change your story all too often.
Take care.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 13th January 19:37
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Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 13th January 19:43
How come so many Rangers fans keep finding PH just to have a go at Celtic?
That is a great results for Rangers though. It clearly meant a lot and they were right up for it from the match report.
What happens in one game is rarely a reflection what happens in another. Random things happen in football.
There is also a Rangers thread. Nobody has posted in it after the huge fight for the thread to be reinstated.
That is a great results for Rangers though. It clearly meant a lot and they were right up for it from the match report.
What happens in one game is rarely a reflection what happens in another. Random things happen in football.
There is also a Rangers thread. Nobody has posted in it after the huge fight for the thread to be reinstated.
Why? Just because Rangers beat Dundee 4-0? Or is Hibs collapsing making you feel up in the clouds?
It was a one off cup game. You needed a few dodgy calls to see off Killie just the other week after a reply.
Save us with all the moaning about moderation as usual. The moderation had never been that bad at all. Is it ok to say something here, but not in the Rangers thread? All I pointed out was it was odd how many Rangers fans find PH (a car website) to find the football chat to talk about Celtic. It has been some time since the poster had something to shout about right enough.
Rangers are nowhere near Celtic. We heard all this before the cup game last time.
In all my years of football I've never seen such a one sided game. I've never ever watched 90 minutes of football where a team didn't even have an effort off target in a game. Even a junior team against premier league team will get a sniff of two. The gulf wouldn't be as much, but there is still a gulf.
RD will be gone soon. He just doesn't have it.
It's just a complete lack of motivation that is the issue. Celtic are miles ahead of Aberdeen and just don't take them seriously. If they did the league would be over.
Aberdeen are still by far the second best team in Scotland though. Good to see them making good progress.
It was a one off cup game. You needed a few dodgy calls to see off Killie just the other week after a reply.
Save us with all the moaning about moderation as usual. The moderation had never been that bad at all. Is it ok to say something here, but not in the Rangers thread? All I pointed out was it was odd how many Rangers fans find PH (a car website) to find the football chat to talk about Celtic. It has been some time since the poster had something to shout about right enough.
Rangers are nowhere near Celtic. We heard all this before the cup game last time.
In all my years of football I've never seen such a one sided game. I've never ever watched 90 minutes of football where a team didn't even have an effort off target in a game. Even a junior team against premier league team will get a sniff of two. The gulf wouldn't be as much, but there is still a gulf.
RD will be gone soon. He just doesn't have it.
It's just a complete lack of motivation that is the issue. Celtic are miles ahead of Aberdeen and just don't take them seriously. If they did the league would be over.
Aberdeen are still by far the second best team in Scotland though. Good to see them making good progress.
Driver101 said:
It's just a complete lack of motivation that is the issue. Celtic are miles ahead of Aberdeen and just don't take them seriously.
Is that the same reason you didn't beat the giants of Malmo in the CL? Or Molde in the Europa? Utter bulls
t as per. It's a complete lack of Rangers that is the issue. Four wasted years. Celtic should have thrown a few quid at the squad, decent manager, made a few quid in the CL and rubbed our faces in it. As it is you have gone through the motions with a clueless manager, a half empty stadium, no treble, again are being run close for the title and generally have achieved nothing of note, despite the massive advantage.
I'm not saying we'd beat you tomorrow, but we're winning the league, beat two SPL teams in the cups, have a decent manager and have the wind in our sails.
Lack of motivation is a pish excuse. If players aren't motivated you get ones who are, simple as that.
Just watched Sportscene. Rangers fans went mental scoring against Dundee, the entire team were all jumping over each other and kissing the badge at beating Dundee. It meant a lot to beat Dundee.
The motivation was there to beat a team of the standard of Dundee.
Watch when Celtic play teams like Dundee, a mutual applause, a little hand slap is about as far as it goes. It's not an achievement to get excited about.
Celtic shouldn't be losing to Molde. The issue is the team is stale and turning up to European games stale with zero real challenge at home. They aren't match prepared.
Have a little look how much money Celtic have spent in the last few years. It's a lot more than you probably think.
When every other team in Scotland can afford a couple of hundred thousand at best, Celtic can still find £4m for a player.
If needed Celtic will buy the title as they say.
It's not the lack of Rangers, it's the lack of serious competition. There is no serious competition.
The motivation was there to beat a team of the standard of Dundee.
Watch when Celtic play teams like Dundee, a mutual applause, a little hand slap is about as far as it goes. It's not an achievement to get excited about.
Celtic shouldn't be losing to Molde. The issue is the team is stale and turning up to European games stale with zero real challenge at home. They aren't match prepared.
Have a little look how much money Celtic have spent in the last few years. It's a lot more than you probably think.
When every other team in Scotland can afford a couple of hundred thousand at best, Celtic can still find £4m for a player.
If needed Celtic will buy the title as they say.
It's not the lack of Rangers, it's the lack of serious competition. There is no serious competition.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 6th March 00:11
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 6th March 00:21
Driver101 said:
Rangers fans went mental scoring against Dundee, the entire team were all jumping over each other and kissing the badge at beating Dundee.
Dundee are in a higher league and their captain made comments about Rangers earlier in the week. And like Stubbs and others he was made to look a prick. A losing gobste prick.That's why we enjoy beating Dundee. And Hibs. And anyone else who does their talking in the media, not on the park.
Driver101 said:
It's not the lack of Rangers, it's the lack of serious competition.
FFS, even you can surely see it's the same thing. Have a look at the league tables over 20 years if you don't believe me.technodup said:
Driver101 said:
Rangers fans went mental scoring against Dundee, the entire team were all jumping over each other and kissing the badge at beating Dundee.
Dundee are in a higher league and their captain made comments about Rangers earlier in the week. And like Stubbs and others he was made to look a prick. A losing gobste prick.That's why we enjoy beating Dundee. And Hibs. And anyone else who does their talking in the media, not on the park.
Driver101 said:
It's not the lack of Rangers, it's the lack of serious competition.
FFS, even you can surely see it's the same thing. Have a look at the league tables over 20 years if you don't believe me.You made the point specifically about Rangers being missing. It's nothing to do with Celtic why Rangers went bust.
The last 20 years are irrelevant to what Scottish football is now.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 6th March 00:28
Driver101 said:
What did Dundee say in the media other than a player saying you were a new club?
Why mention it at all other than to wind people up? Maybe now he'll think again seeing as the 'new club' pumped his diddy team into next week.Driver101 said:
You made the point specifically about Rangers being missing. It's nothing to do with Celtic why Rangers went bust.
I didn't say Celtic had anything to do with it, I'm saying the major reason Celtic are ste is because there is/has been no Rangers to keep them on their toes. And all the Celtic fans I speak to agree. New club or old club, there's only two teams in Scotland with the fanbase and resource to sustain regular title challenges.
technodup said:
Driver101 said:
What did Dundee say in the media other than a player saying you were a new club?
Why mention it at all other than to wind people up? Maybe now he'll think again seeing as the 'new club' pumped his diddy team into next week.Driver101 said:
You made the point specifically about Rangers being missing. It's nothing to do with Celtic why Rangers went bust.
I didn't say Celtic had anything to do with it, I'm saying the major reason Celtic are ste is because there is/has been no Rangers to keep them on their toes. And all the Celtic fans I speak to agree. New club or old club, there's only two teams in Scotland with the fanbase and resource to sustain regular title challenges.
I fully agree it's the lack of competition that is making Celtic stale. They aren't challenged and they aren't at match fitness. There is a real lack of effort and commitment.
What resources do Rangers have? The club was liquidated a few years ago. Have you forgotten the club's resources fell massively short back then to allow that to happen?
For 4 years Rangers have fallen from crisis to crisis. They've been robbing Peter to pay Paul and don't appear to have any real financial backing. Loan after loan and as much as they can afford for a player is a couple of hundred grand paid in small installments.
Where are all the resources going to suddenly appear from?
I don't see Rangers as being anywhere near Celtic, or in any position to actually genuinely catch up. Rangers need Celtic to regress further as they don't have the clout to catch up.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 6th March 10:46
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