The Official Tottenham Hotspud thread [Vol 8]

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ascayman

12,732 posts

215 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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lionelf said:
'Marquee' or 'Star' same-same no?
But that's not me laugh take it up with SP laugh

For what its worth I agree with you i want to see this young team evolve and improve the way to do that however is by following the Manyoo model you quoted and the way they did that was by slowly introducing a player once in a while that took the team on. i.e Cantona, York, Cole, Stam, Ferdinand, sheringham it didn't matter if they were a superstar or not what mattered was that they instantly improved the team and the surrounding players.

lionelf

612 posts

99 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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ascayman said:
lionelf said:
'Marquee' or 'Star' same-same no?
But that's not me laugh take it up with SP laugh

For what its worth I agree with you i want to see this young team evolve and improve the way to do that however is by following the Manyoo model you quoted and the way they did that was by slowly introducing a player once in a while that took the team on. i.e Cantona, York, Cole, Stam, Ferdinand, sheringham it didn't matter if they were a superstar or not what mattered was that they instantly improved the team and the surrounding players.
Yeah you did, but in a round-the-houses way biggrin

"Manyoo, constantly improved the class of 96 team with single additions to add to that team. Cantona, York, Cole, Sheringham, Ferdinand. etc etc "

They are/were stars/marquee signings at the time on top of Becks etc

tongue out

ascayman

12,732 posts

215 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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lionelf said:
Yeah you did, but in a round-the-houses way biggrin

"Manyoo, constantly improved the class of 96 team with single additions to add to that team. Cantona, York, Cole, Sheringham, Ferdinand. etc etc "

They are/were stars/marquee signings at the time on top of Becks etc

tongue out
Cantona was a million quid. York was bought from aston villa for what £3.5m, sheringham from us for about the same, cole had played one full season in the Premier league before they bough him.

None were stars / superstars / marquee signings whatever the hell you want to call them, what they did was improve the team in the areas they were weekest.

Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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What we don't want is to go backwards like we did after our last Champions league campaign.


We made far too many changes after Harry got sacked & it did cost us.


2 or 3 additions is enough i feel especially with our terrific looking youth team players knocking on the first team door.

ascayman

12,732 posts

215 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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Black can man said:
What we don't want is to go backwards like we did after our last Champions league campaign.


We made far too many changes after Harry got sacked & it did cost us.


2 or 3 additions is enough i feel especially with our terrific looking youth team players knocking on the first team door.
Less than that even, id be happy with one first team player.

TEKNOPUG

18,844 posts

204 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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ascayman said:
lionelf said:
Yeah you did, but in a round-the-houses way biggrin

"Manyoo, constantly improved the class of 96 team with single additions to add to that team. Cantona, York, Cole, Sheringham, Ferdinand. etc etc "

They are/were stars/marquee signings at the time on top of Becks etc

tongue out
Cantona was a million quid. York was bought from aston villa for what £3.5m, sheringham from us for about the same, cole had played one full season in the Premier league before they bough him.

None were stars / superstars / marquee signings whatever the hell you want to call them, what they did was improve the team in the areas they were weekest.
Cantona may have been a gamble but the other 3 players were most definitely stars. Both Cole & Yorke were top scorers the previous season - Cole was a British transfer record and £3.5m for Yorke and Sheringham was hardly small change at the time. Teddy not a star when United bought him?

ascayman

12,732 posts

215 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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TEKNOPUG said:
Cantona may have been a gamble but the other 3 players were most definitely stars. Both Cole & Yorke were top scorers the previous season - Cole was a British transfer record and £3.5m for Yorke and Sheringham was hardly small change at the time. Teddy not a star when United bought him?
£3.5m was peanus for sheringham we spent double that on his replacement Ferdinand.

Cole had had one full season in the premier league.

TEKNOPUG

18,844 posts

204 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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ascayman said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Cantona may have been a gamble but the other 3 players were most definitely stars. Both Cole & Yorke were top scorers the previous season - Cole was a British transfer record and £3.5m for Yorke and Sheringham was hardly small change at the time. Teddy not a star when United bought him?
£3.5m was peanus for sheringham we spent double that on his replacement Ferdinand.

Cole had had one full season in the premier league.
Sheringham was 31 and the reason the fee was low was because United were prepared to pay it all at once, whereas other clubs wanted to pay installments, which Sugar wasn't interested in.

Cole scored 34 goals in 40 games during Newcastle's first Premier League season as they finished third and qualified for the UEFA Cup. Cole scored a total of 41 goals in all competitions – breaking the club's goalscoring record which had been set by Hughie Gallacher nearly 70 years earlier. United then paid a British Transfer fee for him.


lionelf

612 posts

99 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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TEKNOPUG said:
ascayman said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Cantona may have been a gamble but the other 3 players were most definitely stars. Both Cole & Yorke were top scorers the previous season - Cole was a British transfer record and £3.5m for Yorke and Sheringham was hardly small change at the time. Teddy not a star when United bought him?
£3.5m was peanus for sheringham we spent double that on his replacement Ferdinand.

Cole had had one full season in the premier league.
Sheringham was 31 and the reason the fee was low was because United were prepared to pay it all at once, whereas other clubs wanted to pay installments, which Sugar wasn't interested in.

Cole scored 34 goals in 40 games during Newcastle's first Premier League season as they finished third and qualified for the UEFA Cup. Cole scored a total of 41 goals in all competitions – breaking the club's goalscoring record which had been set by Hughie Gallacher nearly 70 years earlier. United then paid a British Transfer fee for him.
I agree.

The point I'm trying to make is that buying-in a player of the same stature as a Sheringham or Cole was back then would severely disrupt this team. Whether the were 'stars' or not - and I think they were - someone of that stature brought-in would demand a first team place and I for one don't think there is anyone in any other team that I like enough to want over what we've got at the moment - bar a REAL superstar.

ascayman

12,732 posts

215 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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TEKNOPUG said:
ascayman said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Cantona may have been a gamble but the other 3 players were most definitely stars. Both Cole & Yorke were top scorers the previous season - Cole was a British transfer record and £3.5m for Yorke and Sheringham was hardly small change at the time. Teddy not a star when United bought him?
£3.5m was peanus for sheringham we spent double that on his replacement Ferdinand.

Cole had had one full season in the premier league.
Sheringham was 31 and the reason the fee was low was because United were prepared to pay it all at once, whereas other clubs wanted to pay installments, which Sugar wasn't interested in.

Cole scored 34 goals in 40 games during Newcastle's first Premier League season as they finished third and qualified for the UEFA Cup. Cole scored a total of 41 goals in all competitions – breaking the club's goalscoring record which had been set by Hughie Gallacher nearly 70 years earlier. United then paid a British Transfer fee for him.
So was Ferdinand and we paid double that. £3.5m wasn't a lot of money.

Cole as I said had played one season in the premier league, granted it was a good season but one good season doesn't put you in the superstar bracket imo, he became that ant manyoo

MYOB

4,767 posts

137 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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Do spurs have a decent stand-in for Erikson? He could do with some competition because he frequently has poor games. On the whole, he's great but when he's not performing, I feel Spurs run out of options.

ascayman

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Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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MYOB said:
Do spurs have a decent stand-in for Erikson? He could do with some competition because he frequently has poor games. On the whole, he's great but when he's not performing, I feel Spurs run out of options.
No, not in my opinion anyway.

I'd like Mata but my fellow spuddies do not agree.


I know he's probably too old to fit in out ream, but he can pick a pass which we sadly missed last season.

ascayman

12,732 posts

215 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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Black can man said:
No, not in my opinion anyway.

I'd like Mata but my fellow spuddies do not agree.


I know he's probably too old to fit in out ream, but he can pick a pass which we sadly missed last season.
Mine either.

There's also some rumours floating about that he could be off.

lionelf

612 posts

99 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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It's a winger we're short of - if anyone.

Someone to get around the back of defences. At the moment all of our wide play is carried out by the 2 full backs who, it has to said are absolutely brilliant at it, but need a rest from double-duty. The must be shattered towards the end of the season with the shifts they put in. Chadli is a winger but he's slowest winger I've ever seen laugh I thought N'jie might be the answer but he's proven inconclusive what with all of his injuries so I can see why Poch wanted this Georges Kevin NKoudou bloke.

Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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ascayman said:
Mine either.

There's also some rumours floating about that he could be off.
I do like Eriksen but if he wants to go then then we should let him go.


He'll be bloody expensive though.

HRL

3,330 posts

218 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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Bale. That is all.

Blib

43,793 posts

196 months

Wednesday 10th August 2016
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lionelf said:
It's a winger we're short of - if anyone.

Someone to get around the back of defences. At the moment all of our wide play is carried out by the 2 full backs who, it has to said are absolutely brilliant at it, but need a rest from double-duty. The must be shattered towards the end of the season with the shifts they put in. Chadli is a winger but he's slowest winger I've ever seen laugh I thought N'jie might be the answer but he's proven inconclusive what with all of his injuries so I can see why Poch wanted this Georges Kevin NKoudou bloke.
Aaron Lennon!!!!!

We saw in the Euros how wingers negate the effectiveness of our flying full backs. Walker and Rose need wide open spaces in which to roam. A winger just gets in the way.

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