The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]
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Pommygranite said:
We stuff a game up in the last 20 minutes - a game coming off nearly the longest unbeaten premier league run stretching back 20 odd years, were 3rd in the table, 4 points off top and nearer 1st than 6th and a game with no Matip and no Coutinho - and suddenly we should be making wholesale changes, moving Milner around, Origi is s
t and Karius is judged by his cost?
Jesus H Christ.
Tell you what - when the team sheet pops up on Saturday morning, tell us BEFORE the game who's going to play badly instead of this post game bks.
Ha ha my thoughts exactly.. I would expect maybe 2-3 losses before the bullst and Karius is judged by his cost?Jesus H Christ.
Tell you what - when the team sheet pops up on Saturday morning, tell us BEFORE the game who's going to play badly instead of this post game b
ks.t starts.. But now after 1 game the expert pipes in with the definitive answer to everything.God help us all.
So we're clear, the so called expert answer (also known as my opinion) is we need a better keeper than Karius and a more proven first choice striker than Origi.
Of course both may get better. But yesterday, both of these played their part in costing us the game. I'd rather Karius didn't start on Sunday and I'd rather Origi be an option off the bench.
If at all possible I'd like us to strengthen in these 2 positions in January.
I'll leave it there.
Of course both may get better. But yesterday, both of these played their part in costing us the game. I'd rather Karius didn't start on Sunday and I'd rather Origi be an option off the bench.
If at all possible I'd like us to strengthen in these 2 positions in January.
I'll leave it there.
RedTrident said:
Of course Milner can do a job at left back. But it's not his natural position and he'll make the odd mistake like he did today in giving away an unnecessary penalty. Not taking any away from him whatsoever but I still think he looks better than he is because of how poor our alternative is in Moreno.
November 9thRedTrident said:
Milner I wouldn't swap for any other left back.
All this criticism of our keepers why??
Mings started the season well for us, looked more dominant in the box and made fewer mistakes than ever. His distribution was still bad!
Karius will get better, I think now Klopp has to make the call either stick with him and hope he improves and gains confidence or bench him and use Mingolet, who I believe would fight hard for his spot!
1 Loss isn't the end of the world we are doing well in general, I am loving how we play its soo entertaining.
Mings started the season well for us, looked more dominant in the box and made fewer mistakes than ever. His distribution was still bad!
Karius will get better, I think now Klopp has to make the call either stick with him and hope he improves and gains confidence or bench him and use Mingolet, who I believe would fight hard for his spot!
1 Loss isn't the end of the world we are doing well in general, I am loving how we play its soo entertaining.
I think we all know we need another CB, once MATIP is out of our team we are there to be got at big time, we cant be trying to win the league in reality with Lucas being our 1st choice CB cover. Dont really get any critism of Milner he has been the best LB in the prem this year, he made a silly tackle but so has Clyne many a time this year and he is a RB, what we gonna do replace him too ??
We wont buy a striker unless he unloads Sturridge, if he does I would expect someone very agile, fast and mobile to come in - the lad from Celtic is one who would fit the bit, very much a FSG / Klopp type player
I think he will try buy someone who can play wide with pace, the lad from dortmund and the one from Leverkusen are the ones we are linked with (the latter I have seen 3x this year on BT sport and he is very good)
1 lost in 15 is not worth knee jerk reactions though, I expect us to bounce back fine from this - I do think at this moment Migs is a better option in goal.
We wont buy a striker unless he unloads Sturridge, if he does I would expect someone very agile, fast and mobile to come in - the lad from Celtic is one who would fit the bit, very much a FSG / Klopp type player
I think he will try buy someone who can play wide with pace, the lad from dortmund and the one from Leverkusen are the ones we are linked with (the latter I have seen 3x this year on BT sport and he is very good)
1 lost in 15 is not worth knee jerk reactions though, I expect us to bounce back fine from this - I do think at this moment Migs is a better option in goal.
jammy-git said:
Just one question RT, considering Lallana was coming back off injury, Sturridge is injured, Coutinho is injured, Ings is injured - who would you have chosen as your front three yesterday? Stick Woodburn up there ahead of Origi?
Sturridge should never be relied on with his injury record. I think we all agree on that.Ings even if he was fit shouldn't have been relied on because of the injury he suffered last season that kept him out.
Origi is our first choice striker. That's my issue. When we play with a striker our first choice should be better than Origi.
As for my front 3 yesterday. I'd have hauled Origi off the moment we went 3-1 up and strengthened the midfield. I'd have moved Lucas further forward and brought on Klavan. Of course the front 3 at the start of the game was right because it was the only front 3 we could field. That in itself says everything about the depth of our squad.
Ings is finished here until at the earliest January the year after next. Sturridge is incapable of getting fit and staying fit. We need a striker that suits our play to compete with Firmino. I would be surprised that if by the start of next season if not sooner we don't have a proven striker at the club.
I'll still keep going back to that keeper though, he is the worst first choice keeper I have ever seen at Liverpool. I grew up with Clemence. The only one since I've genuinely thought was world class was Reina. But Mr Rodgers ended that one. If he's available I'd bring him back in an instant. It'll revitalise his career and we will instantly be a better team.
'Origi is our first choice striker. That's my issue. When we play with a striker our first choice should be better than Origi.'
Our first choice is better they are injured, that happens in footy. what do you suggest but 4 world class players for each position!!
It happens look at all the other teams at times they have to play a weaker team than ideal due to injury!!
Just view it as a time when fringe players get a chance to shine/ are tested.
RT your Reina comments? seriously he played 3 games last season, it would be great to see him back but would he be any less of a gamble? No I don't think so! Could be a massive flop, could be a massive hit who knows!!
Our first choice is better they are injured, that happens in footy. what do you suggest but 4 world class players for each position!!
It happens look at all the other teams at times they have to play a weaker team than ideal due to injury!!
Just view it as a time when fringe players get a chance to shine/ are tested.
RT your Reina comments? seriously he played 3 games last season, it would be great to see him back but would he be any less of a gamble? No I don't think so! Could be a massive flop, could be a massive hit who knows!!
Edited by joshcowin on Monday 5th December 14:25
RedTrident said:
I grew up with Clemence. The only one since I've genuinely thought was world class was Reina. But Mr Rodgers ended that one. If he's available I'd bring him back in an instant. It'll revitalise his career and we will instantly be a better team.
I grew up with Clemence too. We were spoiled - he's probably the best goalkeeper the club has had in many many years (Only Elisha Scott and Tommy Lawrence before him seem to have ever been revered). Grobbelaar took quite a time to settle and get the silly risk taking out of his game. Until he did he cost us points, making mistakes. Grob was a very decent keeper, ultimately; not a Clemence but more reliable than anyone we've had until Reina came along.Karius hasn't (I don't think) cost us points all by himself yet. He just doesn't seem to be able to save much coming at him. With a weaker defence, he will have more coming at him, unfortunately.
At the moment I would take Reina back, even if he's barely played recently. That's a sign of the standard of our current goalies, rather than a genuine desire to bring back a "non match fit, once top class" keeper.
As someone said earlier, and I and others have also said more than once; De Gea cost Utd big time in his first season - he was a laughing stock - MOTD used to analyse how bad he was. But he was given the season and following that...well, we'd all want someone his class now I suspect. Does that mean I think Karius will become world class? No, I don't know. None of us do.
But I trust Klopp to know whether he needs more time or to decide at the right point "he's not what we thought he was".
m3sye said:
Far better keepers out there than Reina - be silly to look back, Reina was making a number of mistakes in his final years, to only remember his good seasons would be naive.
If he wanted to buy a new keeper there is a couple in the prem (young Englishmen) better than what we have
Its choosing from what's available too. At least Klopp has some pulling power but that doesn't mean we can just pick and choose (and take) who we want of course.If he wanted to buy a new keeper there is a couple in the prem (young Englishmen) better than what we have
m3sye said:
He is Napolis 1st choice keerper, what maks him more available than say Forster or McCarthy (palace)
Nothing at all. I said I'd prefer Pepe in goal to our two. Not suggesting he is what we need. So I never thought about whether he might actually be available to buy/would want to come here, its not relevant to what I was actually saying. joshcowin said:
'Origi is our first choice striker. That's my issue. When we play with a striker our first choice should be better than Origi.'
Our first choice is better they are injured, that happens in footy. what do you suggest but 4 world class players for each position!!
It happens look at all the other teams at times they have to play a weaker team than ideal due to injury!!
Just view it as a time when fringe players get a chance to shine/ are tested.
RT your Reina comments? seriously he played 3 games last season, it would be great to see him back but would he be any less of a gamble? No I don't think so! Could be a massive flop, could be a massive hit who knows!!
I'd be happy with one very good striker on our books. We only have Origi. Ings was out all of last season and only an idiot would put faith in Sturridge being fit and available.Our first choice is better they are injured, that happens in footy. what do you suggest but 4 world class players for each position!!
It happens look at all the other teams at times they have to play a weaker team than ideal due to injury!!
Just view it as a time when fringe players get a chance to shine/ are tested.
RT your Reina comments? seriously he played 3 games last season, it would be great to see him back but would he be any less of a gamble? No I don't think so! Could be a massive flop, could be a massive hit who knows!!
Edited by joshcowin on Monday 5th December 14:25
And as for Reina, my point really was not really to bring him back but that we should be looking at options. Karius isn't going to be good enough if at all any time soon. What are the suggestions, that we play this lad and let him flap, drop and mis kick all season in the hope that he'll get better?
I know exactly what I'd be practicing if I was West Ham.
RedTrident said:
I'd be happy with one very good striker on our books. We only have Origi. Ings was out all of last season and only an idiot would put faith in Sturridge being fit and available.
And as for Reina, my point really was not really to bring him back but that we should be looking at options. Karius isn't going to be good enough if at all any time soon. What are the suggestions, that we play this lad and let him flap, drop and mis kick all season in the hope that he'll get better?
I know exactly what I'd be practicing if I was West Ham.
Realistically though can you see Klopp giving up on Klarius after a handful of games when he has no doubt scouted him for a min of 2 years? And as for Reina, my point really was not really to bring him back but that we should be looking at options. Karius isn't going to be good enough if at all any time soon. What are the suggestions, that we play this lad and let him flap, drop and mis kick all season in the hope that he'll get better?
I know exactly what I'd be practicing if I was West Ham.
I get this whole "in Klopp we trust" stuff - after all he has brought us an identity and some of the best football we have played in years, pretty much recycling the same players that Mr. Rodgers had.
However(!) - he does seem to have a stubborn streak - take last year for example, he continually played Moreno when it was plain to see for anyone lucky enough to have been blessed with the gift of sight, just how much of a liability Moreno was. Game after game. He then played him in the Europa cup final to our detriment. If he continues to persevere with Karius in the same way, it will cost us. I for one will be very interested to see what his team selection will be for the next match!
However(!) - he does seem to have a stubborn streak - take last year for example, he continually played Moreno when it was plain to see for anyone lucky enough to have been blessed with the gift of sight, just how much of a liability Moreno was. Game after game. He then played him in the Europa cup final to our detriment. If he continues to persevere with Karius in the same way, it will cost us. I for one will be very interested to see what his team selection will be for the next match!
type-r said:
I get this whole "in Klopp we trust" stuff - after all he has brought us an identity and some of the best football we have played in years, pretty much recycling the same players that Mr. Rodgers had.
However(!) - he does seem to have a stubborn streak - take last year for example, he continually played Moreno when it was plain to see for anyone lucky enough to have been blessed with the gift of sight, just how much of a liability Moreno was. Game after game. He then played him in the Europa cup final to our detriment. If he continues to persevere with Karius in the same way, it will cost us. I for one will be very interested to see what his team selection will be for the next match!
With a manager like Klopp you have to take the rough with the smooth. He is evidently a no compromise "my way or the highway" merchant.However(!) - he does seem to have a stubborn streak - take last year for example, he continually played Moreno when it was plain to see for anyone lucky enough to have been blessed with the gift of sight, just how much of a liability Moreno was. Game after game. He then played him in the Europa cup final to our detriment. If he continues to persevere with Karius in the same way, it will cost us. I for one will be very interested to see what his team selection will be for the next match!
Nobody would pick Lucas at CB over Sakho. Apart from Klopp, as he evidently thinks the bloke is a
and doesn't want him around the squad.Refer: Jaap Stam and David Beckham at Man Utd (amongst many others)
Over time I believe there will be more smooth than rough with Klopp.
Above all else, unlike a certain poster on here, he is never boring. So that's not a bad place to be after just over 12 months in charge.
m3sye said:
RedTrident said:
I'd be happy with one very good striker on our books. We only have Origi. Ings was out all of last season and only an idiot would put faith in Sturridge being fit and available.
And as for Reina, my point really was not really to bring him back but that we should be looking at options. Karius isn't going to be good enough if at all any time soon. What are the suggestions, that we play this lad and let him flap, drop and mis kick all season in the hope that he'll get better?
I know exactly what I'd be practicing if I was West Ham.
Realistically though can you see Klopp giving up on Klarius after a handful of games when he has no doubt scouted him for a min of 2 years? And as for Reina, my point really was not really to bring him back but that we should be looking at options. Karius isn't going to be good enough if at all any time soon. What are the suggestions, that we play this lad and let him flap, drop and mis kick all season in the hope that he'll get better?
I know exactly what I'd be practicing if I was West Ham.
Why are you worried about a striker? scoring goals is not our issue!! I thought Klopp cleared that up on his MNF appearance? basically he plays as an attacking group creating chances for each other not one specific player!
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