The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]
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You could argue that the phrase "turning fans into customers" is just "turning people who support the club into people who come to the club/spend money to come to the club". Ie making it an attractive place to visit.
I think we'll all have our own views on this one. Ultimately, its a business, not immersed in football fandom, who own our club and are trying to maximise revenues. At least they've not laid debt on us and tried to run the club into the ground like so many have elsewhere (and after all, which nearly made us bankrupt a few years ago). Ultimately I tend to give FSG the benefit of the doubt. Its not an ideal world, we make the best of things.
I think we'll all have our own views on this one. Ultimately, its a business, not immersed in football fandom, who own our club and are trying to maximise revenues. At least they've not laid debt on us and tried to run the club into the ground like so many have elsewhere (and after all, which nearly made us bankrupt a few years ago). Ultimately I tend to give FSG the benefit of the doubt. Its not an ideal world, we make the best of things.
With the planned increases they are making 2m a year extra
Let me put this in perspective for you, if you finish bottom in the prem next year you get 99m - if you win the budesliga this year you get 45m
To get watch Bayern is about 10-15 a ticket
If they had dropped prices by 2m a year they would not have noticed it one bit, they could have made a statement, but chose to hide behind a load of commercial crap
The dearest ticket in Main stand which I get a lot is £58, likely hood next year I will have to pay £78 to watch them in Cat A game, a £20 increase per game
If you think that is right there is something wrong
Think about how many failed signings we make, how many players sit there on 100k a week doing f
k all, how much extra revenue they are getting commercially
What they are doing is just wrong, so wrong and it needs to stop - all premiership clubs next year should have dropped their prices purely on the tv money alone... fans need to act and act quick as soon your average fan is not going to go..
Commercial fans, corp seats will not sell if the KOP is not full or singing, it will lose its appeal
Let me put this in perspective for you, if you finish bottom in the prem next year you get 99m - if you win the budesliga this year you get 45m
To get watch Bayern is about 10-15 a ticket
If they had dropped prices by 2m a year they would not have noticed it one bit, they could have made a statement, but chose to hide behind a load of commercial crap
The dearest ticket in Main stand which I get a lot is £58, likely hood next year I will have to pay £78 to watch them in Cat A game, a £20 increase per game
If you think that is right there is something wrong
Think about how many failed signings we make, how many players sit there on 100k a week doing f
k all, how much extra revenue they are getting commercially What they are doing is just wrong, so wrong and it needs to stop - all premiership clubs next year should have dropped their prices purely on the tv money alone... fans need to act and act quick as soon your average fan is not going to go..
Commercial fans, corp seats will not sell if the KOP is not full or singing, it will lose its appeal
Edited by m3sye on Thursday 4th February 13:46
Confirmed Liverpool's Europa League squad:
Goalkeepers: Simon Mignolet, Danny Ward
Defenders: Nathaniel Clyne, Steven Caulker, Kolo Toure, Dejan Lovren, Alberto Moreno, Mamadou Sakho, Martin Skrtel
Midfielders: Lucas Leiva, Jordan Henderson, James Milner, Emre Can, Joe Allen, Philippe Coutinho, Adam Lallana, Joao Teixeira,
Strikers: Roberto Firmino, Divock Origi, Daniel Sturridge, Christian Benteke
No Ibe - hhhmm Klopp must not be happy, certainly been well of the pace the last few games...
Happy to see Teixeira in...
Goalkeepers: Simon Mignolet, Danny Ward
Defenders: Nathaniel Clyne, Steven Caulker, Kolo Toure, Dejan Lovren, Alberto Moreno, Mamadou Sakho, Martin Skrtel
Midfielders: Lucas Leiva, Jordan Henderson, James Milner, Emre Can, Joe Allen, Philippe Coutinho, Adam Lallana, Joao Teixeira,
Strikers: Roberto Firmino, Divock Origi, Daniel Sturridge, Christian Benteke
No Ibe - hhhmm Klopp must not be happy, certainly been well of the pace the last few games...
Happy to see Teixeira in...
London424 said:
m3sye said:
Granfondo said:
Only saw the first half last night but to be honest it hasn't changed for the better under Klopp!
I am not sure what people expect him to do, he has no training days only recovery, never had a striker and has had injuries to key players since he arrived.. Lets at least give him time to train them, buy players etc before expecting him to make us world beatersHe'll be gone for 20 million. Will fit in at Sunderland/Hull etc.
As for Klopp. I'm not sure who in their right mind would try and judge him this quickly. I personally have every confidence in his ability to have us competing for top 4 again.
m3sye said:
If you think that is right there is something wrong
I certainly don't. Seat prices don't affect me much as I'm not local and health dictates I can't plan ahead with any certainty and make it to a game anymore. Less likely to try now, certainly, faced with the prospect of losing that much more. But while I generally think FSG should be given the benefit of the doubt overall, I don't agree seat price increases are necessary.Edited by m3sye on Thursday 4th February 13:46
m3sye said:
A10 said:
No one has said its right.
We have just been debating that screenshot and it's context.
Which relates back to that, if you see them as fans not customers then this price increase would have not happened.... We have just been debating that screenshot and it's context.
I disagree. If the screenshot was, as hypothesised, about improving merchandise sales, it has no relevance to increased ticket prices. But it seems it's going to get dragged into that argument regardless of its context. That is disingenuous and unfair. It's probably been online for ages but is only now a problem because it suits the agenda of those upset about ticket prices.
The owners are not new to sport. The Red Sox (along with the NY mets) are probably the most famous baseball team in existence, so I doubt they see their or our fans as purely as customers. They have prior insight and are decent owners all in all.
I'm not looking to get into an argument. I've stated my opinion and will leave it there.
type-r said:
It's a franchise doncha know?
Disgraceful.
That is the only part of that page that I have a problem with, not a franchise it is a club. Interestingly talking to baseball fans here t in Toronto and they talk about their " ball clubs" not the franchise they support. When questioned it seems that the "franchise" covers everything from the advertising, stadium, concessions etc etc etc and the "ball club" covers the team and players!Disgraceful.
Anyhow my personal take of the whole "fans to customers" debate is they(FSG) want to increase revenues by turning fans who do not buy tickets and merchandise into merchandise buying customers. Nothing more and nothing less.
A10 said:
London424 said:
A10 said:
That needs some context before people start spitting feathers.
I don't think it does. No football club should be referring to fans as customers! Ever!
m3sye said:
thing is 77th minute is a bit late in the day for a walkout protest over prices.If you want to make a point, leave at half time.
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thing is 77th minute is a bit late in the day for a walkout protest over prices.
If you want to make a point, leave at half time.
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It is not really the minute that is important is it... its the media coverage we are no doubt hoping for ....
Its already on bbc, jim boardman has ran it in the Mirror...
No business is happy about such negative publicity no matter who you are....
thing is 77th minute is a bit late in the day for a walkout protest over prices.
If you want to make a point, leave at half time.
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It is not really the minute that is important is it... its the media coverage we are no doubt hoping for ....
Its already on bbc, jim boardman has ran it in the Mirror...
No business is happy about such negative publicity no matter who you are....
I think the minute is important. Firstly, being the 77th minute it makes people enquire why that particular minute, to then find out it is linked with our highest ticket price.
A walkout at half time wouldn't get nearly enough support, too many people won't want to waste half the money they've spent on their ticket. The 77th minute, IMO, is just late enough that people will be willing to leave (helps beat the traffic anyway) and the more people that join in, the more impact it will have.
A walkout at half time wouldn't get nearly enough support, too many people won't want to waste half the money they've spent on their ticket. The 77th minute, IMO, is just late enough that people will be willing to leave (helps beat the traffic anyway) and the more people that join in, the more impact it will have.
jammy_basturd said:
I think the minute is important. Firstly, being the 77th minute it makes people enquire why that particular minute, to then find out it is linked with our highest ticket price.
A walkout at half time wouldn't get nearly enough support, too many people won't want to waste half the money they've spent on their ticket. The 77th minute, IMO, is just late enough that people will be willing to leave (helps beat the traffic anyway) and the more people that join in, the more impact it will have.
I guess a lot depends on how the game is going too.... if its a bloody good game people will want to see it out, if its a bad game you'll get more support.A walkout at half time wouldn't get nearly enough support, too many people won't want to waste half the money they've spent on their ticket. The 77th minute, IMO, is just late enough that people will be willing to leave (helps beat the traffic anyway) and the more people that join in, the more impact it will have.
Sunderland though... cant see you losing that, even in my dreams....! If you were three nil down by the 77th minute the place will empty!
m3sye said:
Confirmed Liverpool's Europa League squad:
Goalkeepers: Simon Mignolet, Danny Ward
Defenders: Nathaniel Clyne, Steven Caulker, Kolo Toure, Dejan Lovren, Alberto Moreno, Mamadou Sakho, Martin Skrtel
Midfielders: Lucas Leiva, Jordan Henderson, James Milner, Emre Can, Joe Allen, Philippe Coutinho, Adam Lallana, Joao Teixeira,
Strikers: Roberto Firmino, Divock Origi, Daniel Sturridge, Christian Benteke
No Ibe - hhhmm Klopp must not be happy, certainly been well of the pace the last few games...
Happy to see Teixeira in...
No Flanno either, surprise as he can cover both FB positions,did we really need 5 CB's??Goalkeepers: Simon Mignolet, Danny Ward
Defenders: Nathaniel Clyne, Steven Caulker, Kolo Toure, Dejan Lovren, Alberto Moreno, Mamadou Sakho, Martin Skrtel
Midfielders: Lucas Leiva, Jordan Henderson, James Milner, Emre Can, Joe Allen, Philippe Coutinho, Adam Lallana, Joao Teixeira,
Strikers: Roberto Firmino, Divock Origi, Daniel Sturridge, Christian Benteke
No Ibe - hhhmm Klopp must not be happy, certainly been well of the pace the last few games...
Happy to see Teixeira in...
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