The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]

The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]

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m3sye

26,231 posts

202 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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cerb4.5lee said:
Agree it is harsh but it is fair, he is another one of the underachievers that we always seem to attract.
I think people are a bit quick to jump on Hendo, he played all year with an injury was never 100%, lets see what a good pre season does for him and working properly under Klopp - I for one still think he has a lot to offer and people are very quick to forget just how good he was when we came 2nd...

Lallana has a lot to offer, I can only see Klopp improving him too -
We have a very good squad at the moment, we really should be making a push with anyone...

Edited by m3sye on Friday 22 July 11:08

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

213 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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m3sye said:
Black can man said:
Coutinho, Firminho, Mane, Lallana & Wijnaldum If Klopp plays all these together you should be fun to watch.
I imagine Lallana might drop to the bench from them with Can in Cm with Wijnaldum
I think you'll be right. I think we're not looking to get a specialist DM in because everyone is expected to defend and be able to win the ball.

NRS

22,195 posts

202 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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phil_cardiff said:
Black can man said:
m3sye said:
Coutinho, Firminho, Mane, Lallana & Wijnaldum If Klopp plays all these together you should be fun to watch.
Not if you're a Liverpool fan.

Looks like we've decided we don't need defensive midfielders. A novel approach...

Unless Klopp has tapped up Bender.
I agree - I think we might face the issue that we have too many similar players to each other. I'd prefer if we had a solid defensive midfielder (a Mascherano type player), who would be decent at feeding the ball forward, and meant the others could push forward without worrying if all the other players were doing the same since they like to push forwards.

However it's not criticism of Klopp - we need to see his team and strategy first. It's just my gut feeling from seeing the team we have available at the moment.

Turquoise

1,457 posts

98 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Did Klopp use a specialist DM at Dortmund?

m3sye

26,231 posts

202 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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jammy_basturd said:
I think you'll be right. I think we're not looking to get a specialist DM in because everyone is expected to defend and be able to win the ball.
Jammy, you are right, with the style the JK do you actually need a specific DM ? as he expects EVERYONE to close down their nearest man... if you look at Mane, and Wijnaldum, both have brilliant engines...

But then reading this - it seems he did have 1 destroyer in BD - https://wearehooligans.com/2014/12/15/analyzing-ju...

Silvernoble883

249 posts

97 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Turquoise said:
A friend remarked to me recently that Lallana is similar to Henderson. An athlete with little end product. I thought that was a bit harsh but I can see where he's coming from.
Technically he is very good for a English player, nothing like Henderson IMH, good engine but not a athlete like Clyne who is immense in that department and gets him out of trouble when his footballing lets him down.

I also think the Liverpool shirt hangs heavy on some players where they can be very good at some clubs but bottle it at Liverpool.

m3sye

26,231 posts

202 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Silvernoble883 said:
Clyne who is immense in that department and gets him out of trouble when his footballing lets him down.

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I am yet to see a lot of this...am I watching a different game??

What does everyone else think ? personally I think Clyne is as solid as you can get for a RB, and his attacking abilities for me a very very underrated.

NRS

22,195 posts

202 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Silvernoble883 said:
Technically he is very good for a English player, nothing like Henderson IMH, good engine but not a athlete like Clyne who is immense in that department and gets him out of trouble when his footballing lets him down.

I also think the Liverpool shirt hangs heavy on some players where they can be very good at some clubs but bottle it at Liverpool.
My view is perhaps we have too many similar players. They look good at other clubs before coming here because they are the speialist playermaker for their team. They then have someone behind them they can rely on, and who will be accurate with supplying them the ball. When they come here a lot of our players are mobile and so they're not able to link as well since they don't know where each other will be "automatically". So they end up being a bit slow on the pass, or not being 100% sure they can press straight away since they might leave a hole at the back. It might only be a slight delay, but it's enough to break up the rythem, or miss that small chance to break quickly.

This might have been ok if we had a solid team where they got used to each other more, but when combined with the injuries we had last season they couldn't get used to each other enough since there was no stable team.

I am no football expert, but that is my take on it.

Silvernoble883

249 posts

97 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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m3sye said:
Silvernoble883 said:
Clyne who is immense in that department and gets him out of trouble when his footballing lets him down.

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I am yet to see a lot of this...am I watching a different game??

What does everyone else think ? personally I think Clyne is as solid as you can get for a RB, and his attacking abilities for me a very very underrated.
At this level his touch is average, always has his head down and can't see the best option/pass, his final ball is very average, but he is still young and will get better.


Turquoise

1,457 posts

98 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Going by your posts over the last few pages, you aren't the most positive of supporters are you. I think we will have a decent season. There's lots to look forward to.

Black can man

31,841 posts

169 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Turquoise said:
Going by your posts over the last few pages, you aren't the most positive of supporters are you. I think we will have a decent season. There's lots to look forward to.
Loving you're optimism old boy

Turquoise

1,457 posts

98 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Black can man said:
Turquoise said:
Going by your posts over the last few pages, you aren't the most positive of supporters are you. I think we will have a decent season. There's lots to look forward to.
Loving you're optimism old boy
It's the new season curse all us football fans suffer from!

Silvernoble883

249 posts

97 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Turquoise said:
Going by your posts over the last few pages, you aren't the most positive of supporters are you. I think we will have a decent season. There's lots to look forward to.
I hope so, I suppose being a supporter who lived through the 60s/70s and 80s I'm hard to please.

I remember the old boys pen, they were the days smile

Edited by Silvernoble883 on Friday 22 July 12:11

epom

11,550 posts

162 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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All we need do is score more than we concede so the more forwards or attacking midfielders we have playing the better smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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m3sye

26,231 posts

202 months

Flip Martian

19,708 posts

191 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Silvernoble883 said:
I also think the Liverpool shirt hangs heavy on some players where they can be very good at some clubs but bottle it at Liverpool.
That was definitely the case in the last days of BR; Klopp came in and is on record as saying he needed to give the players their confidence and belief back. You could argue that they should be stronger characters and just get on with it etc etc but it is what it is...

Since then he's improved pretty much everyone - I think everyone will be stepping up to the challenge this season. The stragglers will be gone quick enough. I don't think Lallana will be a straggler - he was impressive with Southampton and in the latter part of last season once he got his confidence back. He has the ability, I would think Klopp will give him the chance to show it.

Flip Martian

19,708 posts

191 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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In other news, looks like Manninger passed the trial and is definitely joining as 3rd choice goalie today.

lionelf

612 posts

101 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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epom said:
All we need do is score more than we concede so the more forwards or attacking midfielders we have playing the better smile
The flaw in your plan, I see it yes

cerb4.5lee

30,733 posts

181 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Silvernoble883 said:
I also think the Liverpool shirt hangs heavy on some players where they can be very good at some clubs but bottle it at Liverpool.
Spot on and this is something that frustrates me when they've been great players at other clubs but don't deliver at ours.
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