The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]
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jammy_basturd said:
Really? We couldn't even get Goetze, who'd be told to go do one by his current club and he only had to decide between us and BVB. And he had a good relationship with Klopp. And he wasn't even £40m!
Goetze was more interested in playing in the ECL as first choice, by all accounts. I thought it was decided quite early on by Klopp that "in that case we're not interested".Being out of the European Cup is a big disappointment as top players want to play in that competition which is why it's important we qualify this year,
Also went and had a look inside Anfield last week and the new stand looks amazing, can't wait for the Leicester game
This could be a great year for us but we must qualify for CL.
Also went and had a look inside Anfield last week and the new stand looks amazing, can't wait for the Leicester game
This could be a great year for us but we must qualify for CL.
Pommygranite said:
Agree with both of these points.
Yesterday we didn't need a LB as everyone's been crapping on about (however no doubt first team with pace will tear us a new one). Milner did a fine job.
Nor do I think a DM was our problem yesterday.
To be fair Walker going off helped Yesterday we didn't need a LB as everyone's been crapping on about (however no doubt first team with pace will tear us a new one). Milner did a fine job.
Nor do I think a DM was our problem yesterday.
Chelsea, United and City will finish ahead of us. In their own way they have new managers that are just as inspirational and proven to be at least as successful as ours. They've all also spent significantly in buying the players that the manager wants.
Competing with Arsenal and Spurs is the level of our ability though if we continue as we have been under Klopp, I think this season we're more likely to be at the level of West Ham, Stoke and possibly Leicester.
Of course I want us to get into the Champions League but I doubt very much it will be this season. We're too erratic, concede too easily and too often and just don't have the depth never mind the quality of players. We are in a place where we have no decent cover at either full back position, relying on Henderson to be the engine in midfield and without a genuine proven striker that suits the way the manger wants to play. I watched Henderson yesterday, there were at least half a dozen times when he should have shown some leadership on the pitch. Calm down a player, have a quiet word, challenge a decision etc. He was invisible.
I honestly don't think Klopp has the money to buy without selling. Just can't see how any manager would want to compete with one hand tied behind his back. I do though think the signing of Wijnaldum was a luxury. We could and should have spent that money better in strengthening other positions.
We all think we have the money but if we look at it in a objective way it looks like we haven't imo.
Competing with Arsenal and Spurs is the level of our ability though if we continue as we have been under Klopp, I think this season we're more likely to be at the level of West Ham, Stoke and possibly Leicester.
Of course I want us to get into the Champions League but I doubt very much it will be this season. We're too erratic, concede too easily and too often and just don't have the depth never mind the quality of players. We are in a place where we have no decent cover at either full back position, relying on Henderson to be the engine in midfield and without a genuine proven striker that suits the way the manger wants to play. I watched Henderson yesterday, there were at least half a dozen times when he should have shown some leadership on the pitch. Calm down a player, have a quiet word, challenge a decision etc. He was invisible.
I honestly don't think Klopp has the money to buy without selling. Just can't see how any manager would want to compete with one hand tied behind his back. I do though think the signing of Wijnaldum was a luxury. We could and should have spent that money better in strengthening other positions.
We all think we have the money but if we look at it in a objective way it looks like we haven't imo.
Flip Martian said:
jammy_basturd said:
Really? We couldn't even get Goetze, who'd be told to go do one by his current club and he only had to decide between us and BVB. And he had a good relationship with Klopp. And he wasn't even £40m!
Goetze was more interested in playing in the ECL as first choice, by all accounts. I thought it was decided quite early on by Klopp that "in that case we're not interested".For me that is absolutely the way we should be conducting transfers. Only buying players that really want to play for Liverpool, who want to become club legends and have a passion for the club. I'm glad we're not just getting players who only come to the club because we're paying them twice as much as the next club.
I still think Klopp is calling the shots with transfers: https://streamable.com/w2op
Lovely goal from Suso for Milan against Napoli last night: https://streamable.com/6qw0
Lastly, we're apparently in for Christian Pulisic, but probably not in this window: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
jammy_basturd said:
Lastly, we're apparently in for Christian Pulisic, but probably not in this window: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
How many attacking midfielders do we need 
RedTrident said:
Chelsea, United and City will finish ahead of us. In their own way they have new managers that are just as inspirational and proven to be at least as successful as ours. They've all also spent significantly in buying the players that the manager wants.
Competing with Arsenal and Spurs is the level of our ability though if we continue as we have been under Klopp, I think this season we're more likely to be at the level of West Ham, Stoke and possibly Leicester.
Of course I want us to get into the Champions League but I doubt very much it will be this season. We're too erratic, concede too easily and too often and just don't have the depth never mind the quality of players. We are in a place where we have no decent cover at either full back position, relying on Henderson to be the engine in midfield and without a genuine proven striker that suits the way the manger wants to play. I watched Henderson yesterday, there were at least half a dozen times when he should have shown some leadership on the pitch. Calm down a player, have a quiet word, challenge a decision etc. He was invisible.
I honestly don't think Klopp has the money to buy without selling. Just can't see how any manager would want to compete with one hand tied behind his back. I do though think the signing of Wijnaldum was a luxury. We could and should have spent that money better in strengthening other positions.
We all think we have the money but if we look at it in a objective way it looks like we haven't imo.
Give it time. I think it is too easy judge after just 3 games. Teams can transform during the season - once Matip and Lovren gain that understanding over a number of games, we may be able start keeping clean sheets. We need a settled back five including goalkeeper. Consistently playing these players together will build understanding but it takes time but we live in an instant world but like a fine wine, patience can pay off in the end. Competing with Arsenal and Spurs is the level of our ability though if we continue as we have been under Klopp, I think this season we're more likely to be at the level of West Ham, Stoke and possibly Leicester.
Of course I want us to get into the Champions League but I doubt very much it will be this season. We're too erratic, concede too easily and too often and just don't have the depth never mind the quality of players. We are in a place where we have no decent cover at either full back position, relying on Henderson to be the engine in midfield and without a genuine proven striker that suits the way the manger wants to play. I watched Henderson yesterday, there were at least half a dozen times when he should have shown some leadership on the pitch. Calm down a player, have a quiet word, challenge a decision etc. He was invisible.
I honestly don't think Klopp has the money to buy without selling. Just can't see how any manager would want to compete with one hand tied behind his back. I do though think the signing of Wijnaldum was a luxury. We could and should have spent that money better in strengthening other positions.
We all think we have the money but if we look at it in a objective way it looks like we haven't imo.
One thing about 2013-14 was we pretty much played the same players every game. We had a weak bench; I think our bench now is so much stronger and squad as a whole stronger. Our attack is probably as good as 2013-14 team; if we can that balance in central midfield and shielding of the defence right, we can keep clean sheets. We just need to finish our chances better, which on a days like Arsenal or Southampton last year, we can do. Sometimes a good run of games builds that belief and consistency.
Silvernoble883 said:
I'm positive we can get CL this season especially with no European adventures, the games against Aresnal and Spurs were a positive and with a bit more class defensively we could be very good.
I think you are going to come up against the Burnley type more than the open play that the Spurs & Woolwich play.pinchmeimdreamin said:
jammy_basturd said:
Lastly, we're apparently in for Christian Pulisic, but probably not in this window: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
How many attacking midfielders do we need Silvernoble883 said:
I'm positive we can get CL this season especially with no European adventures, the games against Aresnal and Spurs were a positive and with a bit more class defensively we could be very good.
I'm very sure we won't get it. It's not being negative, just realistic with what we have/ comparison to the other teams. Chelsea and Man U have now improved and have had a good start to get the confidence going. City too. So that leaves Arsenal and Spurs, plus perhaps a wildcard. With the lack of finishing and the defensive issues I think we will end up in our normal positions.The differences from last season:
+ Mane
+ New keeper?
+ New defender?
+ Less games
- Not playing our only proven goalscorer
Mane should get a few points. The other two we have no idea about yet. Not using Sturridge will lose us quite a lot of points. So I see us being the same as the last season or two overall.
Its all true. Every PL title ever has been decided based on how all teams perform in their first 3 games. Except Spurs who have lloris t rescue them when he comes back. We're doomed to mid table mediocrity.
Do I hang myself now, or go and support the MK Dons/Northampton (my 2 nearest teams). Hmm.... not much choice really...
Do I hang myself now, or go and support the MK Dons/Northampton (my 2 nearest teams). Hmm.... not much choice really...
NRS said:
I'm very sure we won't get it. It's not being negative, just realistic with what we have/ comparison to the other teams. Chelsea and Man U have now improved and have had a good start to get the confidence going. City too. So that leaves Arsenal and Spurs, plus perhaps a wildcard. With the lack of finishing and the defensive issues I think we will end up in our normal positions.
The differences from last season:
+ Mane
+ New keeper?
+ New defender?
+ Less games
- Not playing our only proven goalscorer
Mane should get a few points. The other two we have no idea about yet. Not using Sturridge will lose us quite a lot of points. So I see us being the same as the last season or two overall.
Not sure I agree. Our form for several months after Klopp came in was good enough for top four. That was until we decided we were better off trying for EL glory than the fourth spot and we gave up on the league.The differences from last season:
+ Mane
+ New keeper?
+ New defender?
+ Less games
- Not playing our only proven goalscorer
Mane should get a few points. The other two we have no idea about yet. Not using Sturridge will lose us quite a lot of points. So I see us being the same as the last season or two overall.
Considering we have Mane, less games, better defenders and Sturridge fit I think we'll be much closer to getting that top four spot. Spuds haven't found their form yet, Arsenal look shakey and seem to be one or two injuries away from being average again.
I agree that the top three are *probably* beyond us, but that last CL spot is right up for grabs.
Absolutely spot on from Paul Tomkins:
Tomkins said:
'I think that when fans of a certain disposition craved Klopp – when they hounded John Henry with every tweet – they were actually just wanting his Dortmund team, and his Dortmund success. They didn’t want the process where his Dortmund side went from average to outstanding over two-to-three years, probably because they didn’t even notice it – unless they were keen Bundesliga aficionados. They just saw the exciting team Dortmund had become and thought “want that”. Sure, but how did Klopp make it?'
You wanted Klopp, we've got Klopp. Stop the moan and enjoy the ride.
You wanted Klopp, we've got Klopp. Stop the moan and enjoy the ride.
jammy_basturd said:
Absolutely spot on from Paul Tomkins:
For some people that may be the case, but I said we should stick by Rodgers for a lot longer than most. You can check my posts on here about it. I'm not someone to say get rid of the manager immediately. I am not saying we should get rid of Klopp now, or that we should not give him time. It's just I cannot see the improvements that would move us from our normal league position to anywhere higher. There's a difference. So my prediction is we'll end up in our normal league position this season. Simple as that.Tomkins said:
'I think that when fans of a certain disposition craved Klopp – when they hounded John Henry with every tweet – they were actually just wanting his Dortmund team, and his Dortmund success. They didn’t want the process where his Dortmund side went from average to outstanding over two-to-three years, probably because they didn’t even notice it – unless they were keen Bundesliga aficionados. They just saw the exciting team Dortmund had become and thought “want that”. Sure, but how did Klopp make it?'
You wanted Klopp, we've got Klopp. Stop the moan and enjoy the ride.
You wanted Klopp, we've got Klopp. Stop the moan and enjoy the ride.
NRS said:
For some people that may be the case, but I said we should stick by Rodgers for a lot longer than most. You can check my posts on here about it. I'm not someone to say get rid of the manager immediately. I am not saying we should get rid of Klopp now, or that we should not give him time. It's just I cannot see the improvements that would move us from our normal league position to anywhere higher. There's a difference. So my prediction is we'll end up in our normal league position this season. Simple as that.
How long do you think before you will be saying "change the manager"HAving seen what has happened for the last 25 years- I'd wait another 5 with Klopp at least.
desolate said:
How long do you think before you will be saying "change the manager"
HAving seen what has happened for the last 25 years- I'd wait another 5 with Klopp at least.
Not sure, but give him a few seasons to see what happens. I didn't really do it with Rodgers until the end. My main issues with Rodgers were the players not believing him since he was always so positive about them, but then the next game didn't play them. Plus the players being played in random positions/ random tactics. HAving seen what has happened for the last 25 years- I'd wait another 5 with Klopp at least.
Klopp will be trusted a lot more by the players because if someone is crap he is likely to say that in a sense. However he is also playing players out of position. A lot of our players are pretty well settled now, so we know very few of the midfielders can actually put a ball in the net. So when we end up with only attacking midfielders on the pitch that we have had before (apart from Mane) there is no reason to think we will get more goals from them. Then our defensive issues are not sorted. I don't think Matip will change much because I think it's the tactics/ the effect of "Moreno" making it a poor defense. So why will we actually improve on last season? Not just arguing "hope" or "time". Jammy did reply with these:
jammy_basturd said:
Not sure I agree. Our form for several months after Klopp came in was good enough for top four. That was until we decided we were better off trying for EL glory than the fourth spot and we gave up on the league.
Considering we have Mane, less games, better defenders and Sturridge fit I think we'll be much closer to getting that top four spot. Spuds haven't found their form yet, Arsenal look shakey and seem to be one or two injuries away from being average again.
I agree that the top three are *probably* beyond us, but that last CL spot is right up for grabs.
My views on them are Mane and less games are positive, better defenders won't help IMO since it's the tactics (which are perfectly valid tactics, if we could score more goals), and it doesn't matter about Sturridge being fit because he's not being played. Which will lose us points due to the number of goals he gets.Considering we have Mane, less games, better defenders and Sturridge fit I think we'll be much closer to getting that top four spot. Spuds haven't found their form yet, Arsenal look shakey and seem to be one or two injuries away from being average again.
I agree that the top three are *probably* beyond us, but that last CL spot is right up for grabs.
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