The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]
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desolate said:
BlackST said:
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English giants Liverpool have submitted a bid of €35M to Grêmio for attacker #Luan (23), confirms the usually reliable Futebol de Gaúcha.
is he left footed?English giants Liverpool have submitted a bid of €35M to Grêmio for attacker #Luan (23), confirms the usually reliable Futebol de Gaúcha.
(just in case he needs to fill in at left back)
Pommygranite said:
desolate said:
BlackST said:
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English giants Liverpool have submitted a bid of €35M to Grêmio for attacker #Luan (23), confirms the usually reliable Futebol de Gaúcha.
is he left footed?English giants Liverpool have submitted a bid of €35M to Grêmio for attacker #Luan (23), confirms the usually reliable Futebol de Gaúcha.
(just in case he needs to fill in at left back)
So this is the striker that will play to Klopp's system and give us 20 league goals. His stats don't seem to back this up though. 1 goal in around 4 games.
Think it will be the end of Sturridge and possibly Ings. Sturridge will of course go and score 20 goals in any team he next joins providing he isn't injured. I'm not opposed to selling Sturridge, if the manager has an approach then he needs to be backed. It's Henderson I'd like to see gone as imo he doesn't suit Klopp's style either. The only difference is that though much much less talented than Sturridge, Henderson tries.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/29/liv...
I read somewhere the club would prefer to sell this Brazillian now and for him to join his new club in January. Might give us time to sell Sturridge. Arsenal have just bought I think, perhaps West Ham?
Think it will be the end of Sturridge and possibly Ings. Sturridge will of course go and score 20 goals in any team he next joins providing he isn't injured. I'm not opposed to selling Sturridge, if the manager has an approach then he needs to be backed. It's Henderson I'd like to see gone as imo he doesn't suit Klopp's style either. The only difference is that though much much less talented than Sturridge, Henderson tries.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/29/liv...
I read somewhere the club would prefer to sell this Brazillian now and for him to join his new club in January. Might give us time to sell Sturridge. Arsenal have just bought I think, perhaps West Ham?
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Along with this from a Huddersfield fan:
Along with this from a Huddersfield fan:
hudds fan said:
Im a Hudds season ticket holder and he has been fantastic for us, one thing that immediatley struck me is that he plays out from the back with so much ease, and never panicks, which means his long range kicks tend to be spot on and he can pick people out easily! His saves have been fantastic and im very happy with him, we are randomly top of the league too and that is partly down to him!
I can't see anyone else coming in. And definitely not a £30m+ unknown. Gomez will effectively cover LB and emergency CB positions. Wijnaldum, Grujic, Henderson, Lucas and Can cover the DM positions. I really don't see any further signings personally for these positions.
Should still be some outgoings with Balotelli either loaned or have his contract paid off a year early. I can see loan moves for Markovic, Wisdom and possible Alberto - though he could be sold too.
Then I think we are left with a pretty young and fairly strong squad with very few make-weight players IMO.
Should still be some outgoings with Balotelli either loaned or have his contract paid off a year early. I can see loan moves for Markovic, Wisdom and possible Alberto - though he could be sold too.
Then I think we are left with a pretty young and fairly strong squad with very few make-weight players IMO.
Flip Martian said:
Pommygranite said:
desolate said:
BlackST said:
Twitter ~
English giants Liverpool have submitted a bid of €35M to Grêmio for attacker #Luan (23), confirms the usually reliable Futebol de Gaúcha.
is he left footed?English giants Liverpool have submitted a bid of €35M to Grêmio for attacker #Luan (23), confirms the usually reliable Futebol de Gaúcha.
(just in case he needs to fill in at left back)
If we get him then that's fine and hope I'm wrong but this doesn't seem like a great purchase
RedTrident said:
Add trying too offload our stand out centre back from last season when the only back up is a steady squad filler and a kid that has never played there at this level.
There is something else going on here with our inability to strengthen at left back and centre midfield. I'm sure it'll come out sooner or later.
Whilst Sakho was our stand out player at times last year, he was also a liability at times. I like the guy, think he's class, however my overarching feelings towards Sakho is frustration - he can be class and our standout centre back but he can also be utter rubbish and make the whole defence shaky. He's not a consistent performer and that's a risk especially given the left back and Mignolet issues. There is something else going on here with our inability to strengthen at left back and centre midfield. I'm sure it'll come out sooner or later.
For what it's worth I wouldn't loan him out as it doesn't make sense given the lack of cover but I won't cry if he does go somewhere else purely because of his inconsistency!
I do agree that there's some financial games going on though - TV money has made every club in the league able to splash £30m+ on a player yet we're going to have a net spend and not even touch any of the new income coming in?!
Glass half full makes me think that Klopp is getting the foundations and basics right to try get us in to Europe and then will splash big money next summer... Not sure I believe it but it may make sense.
Pommygranite said:
Yeah and if you read it he got a 'brace' in a few games so basically he hardly scores and every now and then pops up and gets a few.
If we get him then that's fine and hope I'm wrong but this doesn't seem like a great purchase
To be honest, I wouldn't pay much attention to a story put out by 1 news agency overseas. Deals seems so complex these days, if we haven't had offers accepted already on players behind the scenes, it seems unlikely any deals will be done now.If we get him then that's fine and hope I'm wrong but this doesn't seem like a great purchase
Flip Martian said:
Pommygranite said:
Yeah and if you read it he got a 'brace' in a few games so basically he hardly scores and every now and then pops up and gets a few.
If we get him then that's fine and hope I'm wrong but this doesn't seem like a great purchase
To be honest, I wouldn't pay much attention to a story put out by 1 news agency overseas. Deals seems so complex these days, if we haven't had offers accepted already on players behind the scenes, it seems unlikely any deals will be done now.If we get him then that's fine and hope I'm wrong but this doesn't seem like a great purchase
king corpse on a pitch and he's done 68 goals in 194 games and he's only 3 years older. Benteke has played 287 games and scored 107 goals - and neither Balotelli or Benteke are good enough so what's this guy doing here?!Is he really worth €2m for ever career goal he's scored?!
Really can't see this story being true. Ings has a better return than this guy and is yet to kick a ball for Klopp. Of all our strikers I think he'd suit Klopp's style the most.
Origi was useless when he came on. Clearly Klopp will go with Firmino as his striker for Chelsea away. I just hope he at least gives Ings a try before paying out 30 million on a maybe player.
As for Sturridge, there is a really good article here.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-d...
Origi was useless when he came on. Clearly Klopp will go with Firmino as his striker for Chelsea away. I just hope he at least gives Ings a try before paying out 30 million on a maybe player.
As for Sturridge, there is a really good article here.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-d...
We'll find out soon enough Sye.
I'm increasingly of the opinion that Klopp favours players that suit a system, even if they are less talented etc. In such an environment I worry not just for players like Sturridge, but flair players like Coutinho who can go missing for large parts of a game.
It is a very German national team sort of approach from what I've seen. Very machine like. Very organised, well drilled etc.
Had we not had Moreno as a broken part in it and Sakho been not on the diet pills, I think we would have won in Basel last year. Klopp even talked about losing faith in our game plan when they equalised.
It's probably why Milner will work in this system, he can do a job and understands his role. He is not a flair player but solidly does what is asked of him week in week out. Clyne, Can, Henderson, Lallana all suit it too. Ings will if given a chance whilst Firmino hustles like his life depends on it.
I'm increasingly of the opinion that Klopp favours players that suit a system, even if they are less talented etc. In such an environment I worry not just for players like Sturridge, but flair players like Coutinho who can go missing for large parts of a game.
It is a very German national team sort of approach from what I've seen. Very machine like. Very organised, well drilled etc.
Had we not had Moreno as a broken part in it and Sakho been not on the diet pills, I think we would have won in Basel last year. Klopp even talked about losing faith in our game plan when they equalised.
It's probably why Milner will work in this system, he can do a job and understands his role. He is not a flair player but solidly does what is asked of him week in week out. Clyne, Can, Henderson, Lallana all suit it too. Ings will if given a chance whilst Firmino hustles like his life depends on it.
RedTrident said:
We'll find out soon enough Sye.
I'm increasingly of the opinion that Klopp favours players that suit a system, even if they are less talented etc.
Absolutely this. I'm increasingly of the opinion that Klopp favours players that suit a system, even if they are less talented etc.
Like I said a few pages ago he isn't a pragmatist like Mourinho. It's his way or no way.
And I think Moreno fits his idea of a player APART from the occassional, but regular, brain farts.
Flip Martian said:
desolate said:
In his interviews when he started Klopp as much as said it his his way or no way.
And just like any other top manager he will ditch a player that doesn't toe the line.
(As did Fergie and Mourinho)
Looks like Sturridge will be next if he doesn't comply.
I don't have an issue with that. No player is above the manager, ultimately. If you can't just get on and do your job on 100k a week then toddle off elsewhere...And just like any other top manager he will ditch a player that doesn't toe the line.
(As did Fergie and Mourinho)
Looks like Sturridge will be next if he doesn't comply.
If Klopp is forcing Sturridge to play in a certain way that he can't/ will make him less effective then in many ways he is putting the style of pressing over the results of actually getting goals.
Sturridge is not a Liverpool fan by childhood, so I can understand why he is unhappy. If in my job I was very good at something and my manager effectively got me to do something else that I didn't like/ I was much worse at then I would absolutely look at moving job. Since he's not a Gerrard then it's not like he has the club connection - it's purely a job in many respects.
I'd much rather have Sturridge on being "lazy" and getting 43 goals in 56 games (15 subs) at 61% scoring rate if you include subs, than Firmino with his energy but 10 goals in 27 games (7 subs) giving a scoring rate of 29%. This is only looking at the League, I think Sturridge is even better using cup competitions. Particularly when one of our issues is repeatedly doing well in a game but not scoring.
RedTrident said:
As for Sturridge, there is a really good article here.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-d...
Interesting article, that. May be some truth in it. http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-d...
One thing's for sure, if Klopp has Liverpool as decent as the German national sides have been, I'll go along with that all day long, thank you very much...
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