The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]
Discussion
m3sye said:
phil_cardiff said:
Quite right, I found the game last night interesting to watch. It answered a lot of our questions. 2 that spring to mind are:
1. Why was Flanagan allowed out on loan? Because TA-A looks a good prospect/better.
2. Why isn't Ings getting any game time? Because he's still really rusty and Origi is currently miles better, as is Sturridge and Firminho.
3. Who is our DM cover? Stewart is. And he looks promising.
And so on.
Yep all 3 points spot on...1. Why was Flanagan allowed out on loan? Because TA-A looks a good prospect/better.
2. Why isn't Ings getting any game time? Because he's still really rusty and Origi is currently miles better, as is Sturridge and Firminho.
3. Who is our DM cover? Stewart is. And he looks promising.
And so on.
Just goes to show when people say x player should be above x player etc etc klopp sees them every day in training he knows who should be in the squad/team
I'm not sure we really have a DM to be honest. Klopp wants everyone to tackle high up the pitch and so in effect everyone to defend. It's probably why we have a good and yet poor defensive record - the opposition don't get much chances on goal because we stop them before they are in our 1/3, or even if they make it they have 2-3 players tackling them at once so can't shoot. However we will then often leave some space since a few players are after 1 person, and so if they can pass it to someone else we can then make it quite easy for them to have space and time to shoot - so not many shots on target but often they count.
m3sye said:
After last nights showing I would happily stick Trent in...he would not let us down one bit...
magine he would move Milner over though and play Moreno LB (who also played well last night)
That's some believe though I only watched the highlights. The same highlights where Moreno was lucky not to give away a penalty. magine he would move Milner over though and play Moreno LB (who also played well last night)
I honestly don't know about Trent, if he makes it them brilliant. What I'm sure about is I'd rather we sold the liability that is Moreno.
I think the biggest point to take from last night, ignoring individual players, is that as a club it is obvious now that we have an identity running through the squad, from the 1st XI, the squad players & all the way down to the youth teams. Everyone seemed to know what is expected of them, it can only be a good thing. It's plain to see that everyone has bought into it, ok from the youth teams normally you would expect 2/3 out of 10 maybe to make it through to the squad every year, with 1 becoming a regular starter, but having the whole club playing the same way means that players can step up into a system they know.
I think that's what finished Rogers off in the end,he was relying on individual players exceptional talent to drag us through games, when we lost the likes of Suarez/Sterling/Gerrard, we had no answer. The beauty of the current set up IMHO is that one or two injuries/suspensions won't stop us, as we have other players who can step in, and the system creates the chances, not individual brilliance.... Exciting times ahead I feel!
I think that's what finished Rogers off in the end,he was relying on individual players exceptional talent to drag us through games, when we lost the likes of Suarez/Sterling/Gerrard, we had no answer. The beauty of the current set up IMHO is that one or two injuries/suspensions won't stop us, as we have other players who can step in, and the system creates the chances, not individual brilliance.... Exciting times ahead I feel!
NRS said:
m3sye said:
phil_cardiff said:
Quite right, I found the game last night interesting to watch. It answered a lot of our questions. 2 that spring to mind are:
1. Why was Flanagan allowed out on loan? Because TA-A looks a good prospect/better.
2. Why isn't Ings getting any game time? Because he's still really rusty and Origi is currently miles better, as is Sturridge and Firminho.
3. Who is our DM cover? Stewart is. And he looks promising.
And so on.
Yep all 3 points spot on...1. Why was Flanagan allowed out on loan? Because TA-A looks a good prospect/better.
2. Why isn't Ings getting any game time? Because he's still really rusty and Origi is currently miles better, as is Sturridge and Firminho.
3. Who is our DM cover? Stewart is. And he looks promising.
And so on.
Just goes to show when people say x player should be above x player etc etc klopp sees them every day in training he knows who should be in the squad/team
I'm not sure we really have a DM to be honest. Klopp wants everyone to tackle high up the pitch and so in effect everyone to defend. It's probably why we have a good and yet poor defensive record - the opposition don't get much chances on goal because we stop them before they are in our 1/3, or even if they make it they have 2-3 players tackling them at once so can't shoot. However we will then often leave some space since a few players are after 1 person, and so if they can pass it to someone else we can then make it quite easy for them to have space and time to shoot - so not many shots on target but often they count.
Also, Karius hasn't been brilliant but hasn't disrupted our play too much. Ings killed a few of our attacks last night. He did some good things too but, as an attacking team, we can't afford to play him back into form in the first team.
I feel sorry for the lad but what can Klopp do?
phil_cardiff said:
There's a couple of differences between Ings and Karius. Karius has only one competitor for his spot, Ings has 3.
Also, Karius hasn't been brilliant but hasn't disrupted our play too much. Ings killed a few of our attacks last night. He did some good things too but, as an attacking team, we can't afford to play him back into form in the first team.
I feel sorry for the lad but what can Klopp do?
Klopp has made him number 1..he cant drop him because he has been a bit hesitant on some crosses...he needs to back him 100%Also, Karius hasn't been brilliant but hasn't disrupted our play too much. Ings killed a few of our attacks last night. He did some good things too but, as an attacking team, we can't afford to play him back into form in the first team.
I feel sorry for the lad but what can Klopp do?
What if he drops him, migs comes then he f
ks up? Drop him too?Gk is different to any position on the field, ings has a problem that he has firmino, origi and Sturridge ahead of him and im sorry as much as we all like him i cant see him getting up there unless we have injuries...we play 1 up not 2 so its more difficult...
Kaj91 said:
1 up top doesn't suit Sturridge, he looked a lot more like his old self last night when we were playing with 2 up front.
We are not going to change our whole system for 1 player though?Because it doesnt suit him for me Origi is 2nd choice as he can play it easily and it doesnt effect how we play
phil_cardiff said:
There's a couple of differences between Ings and Karius. Karius has only one competitor for his spot, Ings has 3.
Also, Karius hasn't been brilliant but hasn't disrupted our play too much. Ings killed a few of our attacks last night. He did some good things too but, as an attacking team, we can't afford to play him back into form in the first team.
I feel sorry for the lad but what can Klopp do?
I was going to say the same!Also, Karius hasn't been brilliant but hasn't disrupted our play too much. Ings killed a few of our attacks last night. He did some good things too but, as an attacking team, we can't afford to play him back into form in the first team.
I feel sorry for the lad but what can Klopp do?
To play Karius, we only have to drop Migs, who, fair enough had done OK lately, but is as prone as Karius at flapping at crosses and not commanding the box. So leaving Karius in to get used to the league and gain experience doesn't really diminish the squad at all.
To play Ings - who performed the worst the other night - would mean moving him above Sturridge, the guy who got 2 goals and Origi, who performed better and would also fit nicely into our system. We all really want Ings to succeed here, but at the moment I think it would be unfair on our other strikers to move him up the pecking order.
m3sye said:
My reaction was "wow" but actually it makes sense to have the whole club in 1 location (at least the playing staff, anyway). I guess FSG can then sell off Melwood for housing or something (ker-ching).m3sye said:
Kaj91 said:
1 up top doesn't suit Sturridge, he looked a lot more like his old self last night when we were playing with 2 up front.
We are not going to change our whole system for 1 player though?Flip Martian said:
m3sye said:
Kaj91 said:
1 up top doesn't suit Sturridge, he looked a lot more like his old self last night when we were playing with 2 up front.
We are not going to change our whole system for 1 player though?Flip Martian said:
And yet we did change it on Tuesday. It was mentioned on here earlier about the reserves knowing what's expected of them and slotting straight in - and that's all true - but look how easily Klopp changed to a more obviously "2 up front" formation for Tuesday and how they all managed. I'm not suggesting we will play 2 up front in the next Prem game but perhaps this is a step towards getting the players to cope with different formations when required. It may just be that might happen for some Prem games in the future if Klopp knows they can do it ok.
Nothing wrong wih trying something in the cup but why on earth would we change anything about how we play or who plays in the prem atm (attacking players)We are probably the biggest threat in the prem going forward
m3sye said:
Nothing wrong wih trying something in the cup but why on earth would we change anything about how we play or who plays in the prem atm (attacking players)
We are probably the biggest threat in the prem going forward
Not saying we would, now. But it might be something to consider if we have injuries and need to adapt to certain players being missing. Pays to be flexible.We are probably the biggest threat in the prem going forward
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