The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]
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type-r said:
joshcowin said:
Completely agree, the closing down was the issue, yes a keeper error occurred but it should never have got that far!
You could argue a Klopp error too, in that when we went 3-1 up, he could have taken off a forward player, pushed Lucas into a defensive midfield role and brought Klavan on and shut up shop. However there was nothing in the Bournemouth performance to suggest they would score again - I mean they hardly troubled us in the previous 70-odd minutes. Swings and roundabouts. 
k do we sit back and defend? Especially against a team like Bournemouth?!!Besides which, Lucas had been pretty poor the whole game, why would pushing him into midfield suddenly make us impenetrable?
We had a team out capable of securing the win, but right from the kick off there was very little fight in the team. We were pedestrian right up until the point where we were passengers. The problem was with the press, which is a team thing. The simple answer is that we missed our three best players of the season; Coutinho, Lallana and Matip.
chrisb92 said:
m3sye said:
People need to remember De Gea in his 1st year..he was exactly the same pulling off a number of saves then spilling the ball, missing a catch and so on
Note here how many in his 1st season...now if RT was manager he would have been out and at another club
https://youtu.be/dHpp_5U7jus
How many would swap him now? All anyone is saying is guve the young lad time before chucking him to the scrap heap...klopp will have probably watched every game he played for his old club mainz so he must have seen something?
Not every signing comes good. I only brought it up as you guys jumped down my throat when I dared to question him at the start of the season. You experts claimed he was the dog's bNote here how many in his 1st season...now if RT was manager he would have been out and at another club
https://youtu.be/dHpp_5U7jus
How many would swap him now? All anyone is saying is guve the young lad time before chucking him to the scrap heap...klopp will have probably watched every game he played for his old club mainz so he must have seen something?
ks because Germany's footy mag rated him 2nd to Neuer.I am all for giving players time, but when the keeper is costing you points it will hurt your chances of winning the league. Had De Gea been at the standard he is at now in 2011/12 when we lost to city on GD, we would have won the league by about 10 points.
How much time do we give him? Say he starts on Sunday and looks just as much a liability, do we give him the next league game afterwards? What message does this send out to the other players? Cost us points and you still get picked, regardless of how well the other player in that position is performing?
Klopp is at risk of backing himself in to a corner. Whatever his decision on Sunday it could be season defining.
RedTrident said:
De Gea was an exception rather than the norm. The best keepers in the league that were brought on to the top teams showed their quality from the beginning.
How much time do we give him? Say he starts on Sunday and looks just as much a liability, do we give him the next league game afterwards? What message does this send out to the other players? Cost us points and you still get picked, regardless of how well the other player in that position is performing?
Klopp is at risk of backing himself in to a corner. Whatever his decision on Sunday it could be season defining.
Lallana stated this exact reason for his poor form in his first season with us. Said with BR you never knew whether you were going to get dropped or not. Leads to a dip in confidence which is then obviously hard to get back.How much time do we give him? Say he starts on Sunday and looks just as much a liability, do we give him the next league game afterwards? What message does this send out to the other players? Cost us points and you still get picked, regardless of how well the other player in that position is performing?
Klopp is at risk of backing himself in to a corner. Whatever his decision on Sunday it could be season defining.
If Karius is Klopp's preferred choice then I'm willing to give him time to settle in and find some form. We're talking about a few months in what could easily be a 10-15 year career.
type-r said:
The thing is, is that Karius has been well shielded by the defence and defensive midfielders - Carragher did a piece last night on MNF where he highlights this, as is illustrated by these numbers:
Apart from the Watford game, in which 5 saves were made when we were already 5-1 up, he has hardly been relied on. Which means our defending in general is actually very good! However when he has been called upon, he has fumbled and flapped on more occasions than he has made a telling save, say when are drawing.
Karius is inexperienced - do we jeporadise our very good season by carrying him? Like we did with Moreno last season?
Full Carragher analysis here:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/29327/10684...
This. I couldn't have articulated it better if I'd tried. Both the analysis and your point.Apart from the Watford game, in which 5 saves were made when we were already 5-1 up, he has hardly been relied on. Which means our defending in general is actually very good! However when he has been called upon, he has fumbled and flapped on more occasions than he has made a telling save, say when are drawing.
Karius is inexperienced - do we jeporadise our very good season by carrying him? Like we did with Moreno last season?
Full Carragher analysis here:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/29327/10684...
I'd of course send him out on loan....and then sell him for an undisclosed fee. He's a Aspas, I'm sure he'll be decent in a less physical league.
How is the young lad doing at Huddersfield or whever he is on loan?
jammy-git said:
Lallana stated this exact reason for his poor form in his first season with us. Said with BR you never knew whether you were going to get dropped or not. Leads to a dip in confidence which is then obviously hard to get back.
If Karius is Klopp's preferred choice then I'm willing to give him time to settle in and find some form. We're talking about a few months in what could easily be a 10-15 year career.
I think carrying an out of form central midfielder that is used to the league is night and day from carrying a keeper. At least on two points. Lallana has proven he can play at the level required and his mistakes wouldn't cost us points in the way a keepers does. If Karius is Klopp's preferred choice then I'm willing to give him time to settle in and find some form. We're talking about a few months in what could easily be a 10-15 year career.
Would you really risk playing this lad who hasn't had one game showing his worth at the risk of losing out on a title challenge?
FN2TypeR said:
I actually clicked on the link expecting to find a punchline...Flip Martian said:
FN2TypeR said:
I actually clicked on the link expecting to find a punchline...
The punchlines are all over the last few pages of this thread it seems to me, you'd think, if you listened to a few individuals, that it was all over after losing one game.
type-r said:
joshcowin said:
Completely agree, the closing down was the issue, yes a keeper error occurred but it should never have got that far!
You could argue a Klopp error too, in that when we went 3-1 up, he could have taken off a forward player, pushed Lucas into a defensive midfield role and brought Klavan on and shut up shop. However there was nothing in the Bournemouth performance to suggest they would score again - I mean they hardly troubled us in the previous 70-odd minutes. Swings and roundabouts. As you say 70 minutes little pressure why would you change anything, yes in hindsight I am sure Klopp would change things but he had to react/ make decisions in the moment! He is not perfect, but in my opinion he had liverpool playing the best we have played for along time.
I cannot believe people are being so critical after loosing a match with an opposition who really went for it, its as if people expect us to win every game and if you drop any points that's it we are not going to contend/do well! This is footy chill-out sometimes you loose, at least we lost in a cracking match with worthy opponents!!
Flip Martian said:
RedTrident said:
Klopp is at risk of backing himself in to a corner. Whatever his decision on Sunday it could be season defining.
Someone is really taking the piss now. Very clever...
Of course Klopp won't drop him. But he perhaps should. And if this lad carries on the way he has been performing it'll cost us and Klopp's judgement will be questioned.
West Ham have the players to target him. We'll all know more after Sunday.
RedTrident said:
On a dark December evening....
Of course Klopp won't drop him. But he perhaps should. And if this lad carries on the way he has been performing it'll cost us and Klopp's judgement will be questioned.
West Ham have the players to target him. We'll all know more after Sunday.
Every boy needs a hobby I suppose... Of course Klopp won't drop him. But he perhaps should. And if this lad carries on the way he has been performing it'll cost us and Klopp's judgement will be questioned.
West Ham have the players to target him. We'll all know more after Sunday.
I think with Matip back our defence is far more solid (wouldn't be hard really) and Karius is better protected with him in it. West Ham are pretty poor at the moment; whether they have a game plan or not I doubt our team will be allowed to get away with a result like Sunday's again.
RedTrident said:
On a dark December evening....
Of course Klopp won't drop him. But he perhaps should. And if this lad carries on the way he has been performing it'll cost us and Klopp's judgement will be questioned.
West Ham have the players to target him. We'll all know more after Sunday.
Wont matter who is in net between migs or karius if west ham do what you say, neither are great in the air Of course Klopp won't drop him. But he perhaps should. And if this lad carries on the way he has been performing it'll cost us and Klopp's judgement will be questioned.
West Ham have the players to target him. We'll all know more after Sunday.
Flip Martian said:
A very few individuals, yeah. 'twas ever thus....
Twas ever accurate. I started the season thinking top 4 but like others it seemed we could achieve better, especially after what Leicester did last season and the start we've had.
But in all seriousness my honest thoughts are that challenging for the title might be a season too early. Another summer window is needed for Klopp I think. We'll get a better centre back, a new central midfielder and at least 2 more forwards.
RedTrident said:
But in all seriousness my honest thoughts are that challenging for the title might be a season too early. Another summer window is needed for Klopp I think.
Exactly this. I can imagine signings in several positions - that's what improving the squad is all about after all. I'll leave that to Klopp though - just enjoying the better performances when we DO click this season. Any talk from pundits about title challenges is premature I think. Top 4 would be a real result.
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