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I was in an English pub full of English blokes tonight.
The support for Wales was unquestioned, heartfelt and genuine. That makes me proud.
Living on the border of Wales with a Welsh(ish) wife I can honestly say the same experience could not be had in a Welsh pub if the English did well.
Wales, you played well and good luck to you in the semis. But get over your petty bitterness towards your neighbors before you can become the great nation you strive to be recognised as - football is just a game played by 11 men.
The support for Wales was unquestioned, heartfelt and genuine. That makes me proud.
Living on the border of Wales with a Welsh(ish) wife I can honestly say the same experience could not be had in a Welsh pub if the English did well.
Wales, you played well and good luck to you in the semis. But get over your petty bitterness towards your neighbors before you can become the great nation you strive to be recognised as - football is just a game played by 11 men.
DoubleSix said:
I was in an English pub full of English blokes tonight.
The support for Wales was unquestioned, heartfelt and genuine. That makes me proud.
Living on the border of Wales with a Welsh(ish) wife I can honestly say the same experience could not be had in a Welsh pub if the English did well.
Wales, you played well and good luck to you in the semis. But get over your petty bitterness towards your neighbors before you can become the great nation you strive to be recognised as - football is just a game played by 11 men.
I saw only support for Wales too (in Manchester), what you say is spot on I think. The celebration of England's loss was weird.The support for Wales was unquestioned, heartfelt and genuine. That makes me proud.
Living on the border of Wales with a Welsh(ish) wife I can honestly say the same experience could not be had in a Welsh pub if the English did well.
Wales, you played well and good luck to you in the semis. But get over your petty bitterness towards your neighbors before you can become the great nation you strive to be recognised as - football is just a game played by 11 men.
Well done.
The celebration of England's loss wasn't weird. They were celebrating being the home nation that went the furthest in the tournament. There was no reason they should feel sorry for England, not like the England team held back when you scored that 93rd minute winner.
I hope this performance puts to bed the constant snide remarks making out we've been lucky or our football isn't good (it seems to be based on the Northern Ireland game which was down to how they play). We are the highest scorers in the tournament and for my money Ramsey is the player of the tournament, 4 assists, 1 goal. We put away Belgium (highest ranked team in the tournament) and we were good for it, not a smash and grab like the qualifying win was.
The prospect of Bale vs Ronaldo is mouthwatering. I know Bale is the better player, now he's got a chance to prove it on the biggest stage. Shame Ramsey can't play. We've been written off by the bookies in most games and I've been cleaning up. I can't see what makes Portugal favourites for the next game, they've been shocking all tournament.
I hope this performance puts to bed the constant snide remarks making out we've been lucky or our football isn't good (it seems to be based on the Northern Ireland game which was down to how they play). We are the highest scorers in the tournament and for my money Ramsey is the player of the tournament, 4 assists, 1 goal. We put away Belgium (highest ranked team in the tournament) and we were good for it, not a smash and grab like the qualifying win was.
The prospect of Bale vs Ronaldo is mouthwatering. I know Bale is the better player, now he's got a chance to prove it on the biggest stage. Shame Ramsey can't play. We've been written off by the bookies in most games and I've been cleaning up. I can't see what makes Portugal favourites for the next game, they've been shocking all tournament.
Escy said:
The celebration of England's loss wasn't weird. They were celebrating being the home nation that went the furthest in the tournament. There was no reason they should feel sorry for England, not like the England team held back when you scored that 93rd minute winner.
I hope this performance puts to bed the constant snide remarks making out we've been lucky or our football isn't good (it seems to be based on the Northern Ireland game which was down to how they play). We are the highest scorers in the tournament and for my money Ramsey is the player of the tournament, 4 assists, 1 goal. We put away Belgium (highest ranked team in the tournament) and we were good for it, not a smash and grab like the qualifying win was.
The prospect of Bale vs Ronaldo is mouthwatering. I know Bale is the better player, now he's got a chance to prove it on the biggest stage. Shame Ramsey can't play. We've been written off by the bookies in most games and I've been cleaning up. I can't see what makes Portugal favourites for the next game, they've been shocking all tournament.
I too don't understand the comments by some England fans about the group performance. Whinging about Russia not turning up in our 3-0 win, most seem to forget how terrible Russia were in the England match. England should have won that 5 or 6 nil and yet threw it away with very poor managerial choices and blunders at the back, and paid for not scoring goals.I hope this performance puts to bed the constant snide remarks making out we've been lucky or our football isn't good (it seems to be based on the Northern Ireland game which was down to how they play). We are the highest scorers in the tournament and for my money Ramsey is the player of the tournament, 4 assists, 1 goal. We put away Belgium (highest ranked team in the tournament) and we were good for it, not a smash and grab like the qualifying win was.
The prospect of Bale vs Ronaldo is mouthwatering. I know Bale is the better player, now he's got a chance to prove it on the biggest stage. Shame Ramsey can't play. We've been written off by the bookies in most games and I've been cleaning up. I can't see what makes Portugal favourites for the next game, they've been shocking all tournament.
Wales also gave England way too much, totally undeserved, respect during the head to head. England were allowed to play with 4 strikers by a team that sat back to try to get the draw, when it retrospect England were there to be hit on th break by a team not afraid to win.
The England performance against Iceland was frankly induced by the fear of their own fans and media backlash to a loss. Englanf loss against Iceland was unthinkable and the team knew it and what the reaction to it would be. England fans were booing with 20 minutes to go. When Wayne Rooney was subbed he was booed off, that must have had an affect on the team still trying to grab the equaliser. When your team is on the pitch you have to support them. England only needed one goal to stay in the comp, they weren't 4 nil down or anything, yet the fans were already in their backs.
How many teams have grabbed a last minute winner or equalisers during the tournament, and were they being booed by their fans when they did it?
Edited by SilverSpur on Saturday 2nd July 08:08
Cie said:
DoubleSix said:
I was in an English pub full of English blokes tonight.
The support for Wales was unquestioned, heartfelt and genuine. That makes me proud.
Living on the border of Wales with a Welsh(ish) wife I can honestly say the same experience could not be had in a Welsh pub if the English did well.
Wales, you played well and good luck to you in the semis. But get over your petty bitterness towards your neighbors before you can become the great nation you strive to be recognised as - football is just a game played by 11 men.
I saw only support for Wales too (in Manchester), what you say is spot on I think. The celebration of England's loss was weird.The support for Wales was unquestioned, heartfelt and genuine. That makes me proud.
Living on the border of Wales with a Welsh(ish) wife I can honestly say the same experience could not be had in a Welsh pub if the English did well.
Wales, you played well and good luck to you in the semis. But get over your petty bitterness towards your neighbors before you can become the great nation you strive to be recognised as - football is just a game played by 11 men.
Well done.
The Welsh performance was everything that England's performance on Monday was not - great play and superb team work. (And this from an Englander)
I think that you're really going to miss Aaron Ramsey as he had a superb game tonight. I'm not sure who his replacement will be?
Anyway, good luck in the semi's and hope that you make it through to the final. After seeing Portugal's performance on Thursday, you should be able to contain them and use your (very well executed) set pieces to give yourselves the edge.
I think that you're really going to miss Aaron Ramsey as he had a superb game tonight. I'm not sure who his replacement will be?
Anyway, good luck in the semi's and hope that you make it through to the final. After seeing Portugal's performance on Thursday, you should be able to contain them and use your (very well executed) set pieces to give yourselves the edge.
SilverSpur said:
I too don't understand the comments by some England fans about the group performance. Whinging about Russia not turning up in our 3-0 win, most seem to forget how terrible Russia were in the England match. England should have won that 5 or 6 nil and yet threw it away with very poor managerial choices and blunders at the back, and paid for not scoring goals.
Wales also gave England way too much, totally undeserved, respect during the head to head. England were allowed to play with 4 strikers by a team that sat back to try to get the draw, when it retrospect England were there to be hit on th break by a team not afraid to win.
The England performance against Iceland was frankly induced by the fear of their own fans and media backlash to a loss. Englanf loss against Iceland was unthinkable and the team knew it and what the reaction to it would be. England fans were booing with 20 minutes to go. When Wayne Rooney was subbed he was booed off, that must have had an affect on the team still trying to grab the equaliser. When your team is on the pitch you have to support them. Eng
And only needed one goal to stay in the comp, they weren't 4 nil down or anything, yet the fans were already in their backs.
How many teams have grabbed a last minute winner or equalisers during the tournament, and were they being booed by their fans when they did it?
I really agree with all that and think in a way the England game give Wales a kick up the backside. They must have had a good hard talk stating we can't sit back because that what will happen, a loss, which I have stated too. So then it was Russia, Wales play and win, Belgium they play and win and win well. Belgium scored first and the fans still got behind then and boy does this help or what, just energises the players and keeps them digging in.Wales also gave England way too much, totally undeserved, respect during the head to head. England were allowed to play with 4 strikers by a team that sat back to try to get the draw, when it retrospect England were there to be hit on th break by a team not afraid to win.
The England performance against Iceland was frankly induced by the fear of their own fans and media backlash to a loss. Englanf loss against Iceland was unthinkable and the team knew it and what the reaction to it would be. England fans were booing with 20 minutes to go. When Wayne Rooney was subbed he was booed off, that must have had an affect on the team still trying to grab the equaliser. When your team is on the pitch you have to support them. Eng
And only needed one goal to stay in the comp, they weren't 4 nil down or anything, yet the fans were already in their backs.
How many teams have grabbed a last minute winner or equalisers during the tournament, and were they being booed by their fans when they did it?
Excellent performance and Wales are a great example of not needing the so called best players. No better example of a ""Team"". Very much like Greece when they won it.
Well done Wales, a brilliant performance last night. I still can't get though why Belgium are ranked so high. Yes, they have some decent individual players but they never seem to perform as a team aside from the stuffing they gave Hungary. I hope Wales can beat Portugal but have a feeling it may be a snooze fest. I hope I am wrong and we get an exciting game.
Thort, I agree. The England game taught Chris Coleman a lesson. We went into that game in a good position after winning our 1st game. The game was pretty even in the 1st half with England only really threatening from set pieces (Sterling chance aside). Once we scored, the mindset was to sit on it, England were poor in the 1st game and we don't concede many so I can see why, a point would have done us. That was our downfall. I think England got really lucky with the timing of their winner also. No chance to hit back.
When we beat Belgium in the qualifiers, it was similar to the England game, we went a goal up from a set piece and just decided to sit back on it. It worked that time so I think if we hadn't had that England game to learn from I don't think we'd have seen out the game against Belgium, we'd have been too negative.
I'm just glad we've managed to put this performance in, I knew we were capable. The Russia performance was great also but the English media didn't seem like they wanted to give us the credit for it. It was made out that Russia put in the worst performance by an team at the Euro's. I personally thought they played better against us than they did against England, the difference was we took our chances early doors and killed the game.
I was listening to Talksport last night, they had not some European expert on, he was asked about best player and best team in the tournament. Apparently it's between Toni Kroos or Chiellini for best player and Italy are the best team. Bloke must have his head up his arse considering Wales are in the semi's having scored more goals than anyone else and Ramsey has 4 assists and one goal and Bale has 3 goals and an assist. Toni Kroos has been good but it's not hard to play midfield for Germany is it when all the teams sit off you.
When we beat Belgium in the qualifiers, it was similar to the England game, we went a goal up from a set piece and just decided to sit back on it. It worked that time so I think if we hadn't had that England game to learn from I don't think we'd have seen out the game against Belgium, we'd have been too negative.
I'm just glad we've managed to put this performance in, I knew we were capable. The Russia performance was great also but the English media didn't seem like they wanted to give us the credit for it. It was made out that Russia put in the worst performance by an team at the Euro's. I personally thought they played better against us than they did against England, the difference was we took our chances early doors and killed the game.
I was listening to Talksport last night, they had not some European expert on, he was asked about best player and best team in the tournament. Apparently it's between Toni Kroos or Chiellini for best player and Italy are the best team. Bloke must have his head up his arse considering Wales are in the semi's having scored more goals than anyone else and Ramsey has 4 assists and one goal and Bale has 3 goals and an assist. Toni Kroos has been good but it's not hard to play midfield for Germany is it when all the teams sit off you.
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