Football Employment
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I have zero interest in football, but even then, some of it seeps in. For instance, I know that yesterday was, in the words of a friend of mine "The worst day in English history since last Friday." I also understand that the manager (?) has resigned.
In any other walk of life, s
t tends to roll downhill. The manager gets a bking, and it's his job to find out which part of the team underperformed, and deal with that. So why do players never resign, or get sacked?
Surely it's not reasonable for them to all stand around today with innocent looks on their faces, going "It wasn't my fault."? Is it really the case that the manager does all the work, and the players are just marionettes who don't move without instruction?
I think the salaries that players receive are ludicrous, and if they aren't even required to take any responsibility, then that just makes it all the more ridiculous.
In any other walk of life, s
t tends to roll downhill. The manager gets a bking, and it's his job to find out which part of the team underperformed, and deal with that. So why do players never resign, or get sacked?Surely it's not reasonable for them to all stand around today with innocent looks on their faces, going "It wasn't my fault."? Is it really the case that the manager does all the work, and the players are just marionettes who don't move without instruction?
I think the salaries that players receive are ludicrous, and if they aren't even required to take any responsibility, then that just makes it all the more ridiculous.
Players are often sacked for off-the-field issues (drugs, child abused, killing people with their motorcars etc). If a player is underperforming on the pitch then they are just sold off or loaned out in the next transfer window.
I don't think players can actively resign as they are a commodity to be bought and sold by the clubs.
I don't think players can actively resign as they are a commodity to be bought and sold by the clubs.
Footballers sign fixed term contracts, so unless they are in breach of that contract then they cannot be fired. As others have mentioned they can be demoted to the youth team, made to train on their own so often these players are sold. They cannot be fired if they are rubbish unfortunately.
HTP99 said:
Doofus said:
As I said, I'm on the outside, looking in; but doesn't that all seem a bit stupid?
You aren't the only one; I don't follow football and the whole thing perplexes me; why don't they have a performance clause in their contract; don't do xyz and you are sacked?Edited to add some blurb...
source is FIFA Transfer Rules said:
Article 13 states that a contract between a professional footballer and a club may only be terminated by mutual agreement or upon its expiration.
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Notwithstanding Article 13, Articles 14 and 15 allow either party to unilaterally terminate with “Just Cause” or “Sporting Just Cause.”
“Just Cause” involves serious misconduct or prolonged violations of the terms of the contract. Clubs have been held to have “Just Cause” where a player returns a positive doping result or uses illicit drugs, whereas no “Just Cause” exists when a player suffers injury, or a player’s performance, commitment or productivity declines. Players have “Just Cause” if a club persistently fails to pay his salary.
“Sporting Just Cause” exists when the player appears in less than 10% of the club’s official matches due to “injury, suspension, player’s field or team position, age [or] reasonable expectations on the basis of past career.”
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Notwithstanding Article 13, Articles 14 and 15 allow either party to unilaterally terminate with “Just Cause” or “Sporting Just Cause.”
“Just Cause” involves serious misconduct or prolonged violations of the terms of the contract. Clubs have been held to have “Just Cause” where a player returns a positive doping result or uses illicit drugs, whereas no “Just Cause” exists when a player suffers injury, or a player’s performance, commitment or productivity declines. Players have “Just Cause” if a club persistently fails to pay his salary.
“Sporting Just Cause” exists when the player appears in less than 10% of the club’s official matches due to “injury, suspension, player’s field or team position, age [or] reasonable expectations on the basis of past career.”
Edited by bigandclever on Tuesday 28th June 11:44
HTP99 said:
Doofus said:
As I said, I'm on the outside, looking in; but doesn't that all seem a bit stupid?
You aren't the only one; I don't follow football and the whole thing perplexes me; why don't they have a performance clause in their contract; don't do xyz and you are sacked?I personally think a lot more players should have a basic salary and everything else is performance based.
Challo said:
I personally think a lot more players should have a basic salary and everything else is performance based.
That's the way Liverpool FC are heading.Ian Ayre chief exec at Liverpool FC said:
We spend a lot of time and our Performance and Analysis team spend a lot of time analysing and structuring, so that when we put a deal to a player that has performance related bonuses or elements, we are not only just showing them what they can earn, we are showing them the realism of that.
It’s realistic because we have all the statistics. And they can see that they are actually very capable of it - and in some cases they have been doing it.
It’s perhaps that we’d just like to see more of it . And they can then feel energised to go out and achieve that.
That’s a far cry from deals where it is sort of nailed on and then it doesn’t matter whether they perform or do not perform.
So we are just trying to find a balance. I think other teams are doing that as well - or at least trying to do that.
It will always be more carrot than stick.It’s realistic because we have all the statistics. And they can see that they are actually very capable of it - and in some cases they have been doing it.
It’s perhaps that we’d just like to see more of it . And they can then feel energised to go out and achieve that.
That’s a far cry from deals where it is sort of nailed on and then it doesn’t matter whether they perform or do not perform.
So we are just trying to find a balance. I think other teams are doing that as well - or at least trying to do that.
bigandclever said:
Challo said:
I personally think a lot more players should have a basic salary and everything else is performance based.
That's the way Liverpool FC are heading.Ian Ayre chief exec at Liverpool FC said:
We spend a lot of time and our Performance and Analysis team spend a lot of time analysing and structuring, so that when we put a deal to a player that has performance related bonuses or elements, we are not only just showing them what they can earn, we are showing them the realism of that.
It’s realistic because we have all the statistics. And they can see that they are actually very capable of it - and in some cases they have been doing it.
It’s perhaps that we’d just like to see more of it . And they can then feel energised to go out and achieve that.
That’s a far cry from deals where it is sort of nailed on and then it doesn’t matter whether they perform or do not perform.
So we are just trying to find a balance. I think other teams are doing that as well - or at least trying to do that.
It will always be more carrot than stick.It’s realistic because we have all the statistics. And they can see that they are actually very capable of it - and in some cases they have been doing it.
It’s perhaps that we’d just like to see more of it . And they can then feel energised to go out and achieve that.
That’s a far cry from deals where it is sort of nailed on and then it doesn’t matter whether they perform or do not perform.
So we are just trying to find a balance. I think other teams are doing that as well - or at least trying to do that.
1. Individual performance bonuses - lack of teamwork, possibly?
2. Team bonuses based on goals scored/overall performance - 1 player may let the side down and cost everyone their bonus, resulting in hostility in the team?
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