Police Officer Smashes Windscreen

Police Officer Smashes Windscreen

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Glassman

Original Poster:

22,501 posts

214 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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https://www.facebook.com/glasstecauto/posts/101547...

In a nutshell. Plod pull over a driver; appears to be more than 'routine'. Driver refusing to get out of the car. Copper smashes windscreen to immobilise him (plod is heard to be saying something about the driver being disqualified). Driver reports cop to DPS; copper(s) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37401527.

As with a lot of these videos, we don't see the 'before', only the during.

Some videos (as the first on in the link shows) only show the meaty bits but as the second clip shows, there was a bit more to it. Perhaps it was mistaken identity, or perhaps he really was a toerag who uses aliases to get away with driving whilst disqualified. Why doesn't he just get out and assist the police officer with his enquiry?

FB is awash with coppers v ethnics claims. Makes me sick.

Had that driver been surrounded by a gang of 'man dem' he wouldn't have been using his phone to record the event, he'd have been using it to phone the same police he's now trying to get reprimanded.

IMO, of course.


Motorrad

6,811 posts

186 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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Your video link won't work for me. I think I've seen it already though and wouldn't mind whatever the driver has fitted on his side windows to protect my own. The Policeman just cannot smash them.

The video I saw seemed heavily edited but the Police didn't come across as very professional, some training issues to be addressed there I think.

bitchstewie

50,781 posts

209 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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From what I read and saw both seem like a pair of dicks.

The Police Officer didn't appear to be acting with any sense of urgency rather one of frustration and the guy in the car seems to have had the choice between the easy way and the hard way and for some reason chose the hard way.

Riley Blue

20,915 posts

225 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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Police involved now on 'restricted duties', whatever that means. From the video I saw this morning, I doubt I'd get out of my car when there's a fired up plod yelling at me and trying to smash my car's windows.

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

115 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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I have seen the video. Absolutely disgusting behavior from the police officer. Needs to be sacked at the very least and charged with aggressive behavior.

Coppers to think they are above the law and can do what they want. Disgusting.

Glassman

Original Poster:

22,501 posts

214 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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Riley Blue said:
Police involved now on 'restricted duties', whatever that means. From the video I saw this morning, I doubt I'd get out of my car when there's a fired up plod yelling at me and trying to smash my car's windows.
There was a lot of dialogue before the plod started the smashing. There were numerous requests to get out of the car. Driver simply refused. It got heated afterwards. We don't see what happened - or what was said - before the clip started.


HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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AndStilliRise said:
Coppers to think they are above the law and can do what they want. Disgusting.
Do they rolleyes

TVR1

5,460 posts

224 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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Glassman said:
https://www.facebook.com/glasstecauto/posts/101547...

In a nutshell. Plod pull over a driver; appears to be more than 'routine'. Driver refusing to get out of the car. Copper smashes windscreen to immobilise him (plod is heard to be saying something about the driver being disqualified). Driver reports cop to DPS; copper(s) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37401527.

As with a lot of these videos, we don't see the 'before', only the during.

Some videos (as the first on in the link shows) only show the meaty bits but as the second clip shows, there was a bit more to it. Perhaps it was mistaken identity, or perhaps he really was a toerag who uses aliases to get away with driving whilst disqualified. Why doesn't he just get out and assist the police officer with his enquiry?

FB is awash with coppers v ethnics claims. Makes me sick.

Had that driver been surrounded by a gang of 'man dem' he wouldn't have been using his phone to record the event, he'd have been using it to phone the same police he's now trying to get reprimanded.

IMO, of course.
Did you choose to ignore the part in all of the reporting that then goes on to say

'Released without charge?'

Or would that be an uncomfortable truth, that the chap involved had done nothing wrong, other than 'being in the possession of curly black hair and thick lips'.

Greendubber

13,129 posts

202 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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I've seen this.

In one edit you can hear the officers radio and a message is passed about the driver only holding a provisional licence and when he bolts out of the door passenger door he says something along the line of "OK OK I'm not TJ" so maybe he was giving duff details.


Reading some comments its also been suggested that he had reversed at an officer a short while before so perhaps he had made off? Looking at the position of the police car in front it does not look like a run of the mill stop.

Who knows, I'm not sure I'd have started cutting through his screen though.

Oh and someone buy that bobby a window punch tool, half open windows just wobble when struck with a baton.

TVR1

5,460 posts

224 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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bhstewie said:
From what I read and saw both seem like a pair of dicks.

The Police Officer didn't appear to be acting with any sense of urgency rather one of frustration and the guy in the car seems to have had the choice between the easy way and the hard way and for some reason chose the hard way.
What fking 'hard way?' Another Police violence apologist?

Glassman

Original Poster:

22,501 posts

214 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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TVR1 said:
Did you choose to ignore the part in all of the reporting that then goes on to say

'Released without charge?'

Or would that be an uncomfortable truth, that the chap involved had done nothing wrong, other than 'being in the possession of curly black hair and thick lips'.
I think the car might have been registered to the (alleged/suspected) banned driver. My point is, if it was a case of mistaken identity, why being so difficult about it?

TVR1

5,460 posts

224 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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Glassman said:
https://www.facebook.com/glasstecauto/posts/101547...

In a nutshell. Plod pull over a driver; appears to be more than 'routine'. Driver refusing to get out of the car. Copper smashes windscreen to immobilise him (plod is heard to be saying something about the driver being disqualified). Driver reports cop to DPS; copper(s) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37401527.

As with a lot of these videos, we don't see the 'before', only the during.

Some videos (as the first on in the link shows) only show the meaty bits but as the second clip shows, there was a bit more to it. Perhaps it was mistaken identity, or perhaps he really was a toerag who uses aliases to get away with driving whilst disqualified. Why doesn't he just get out and assist the police officer with his enquiry?

FB is awash with coppers v ethnics claims. Makes me sick.

Had that driver been surrounded by a gang of 'man dem' he wouldn't have been using his phone to record the event, he'd have been using it to phone the same police he's now trying to get reprimanded.

IMO, of course.
Did you choose to ignore the part in all of the reporting that then goes on to say

'Released without charge?'

Or would that be an uncomfortable truth, that the chap involved had done nothing wrong, other than 'being in the possession of curly black hair and thick lips'.

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

115 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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Chap was released without charge. Had done nothing wrong. So whatever made the cooper start running his mouth was completely unnecessary. I really do hope they make an example of this fool.

Greendubber

13,129 posts

202 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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AndStilliRise said:
Chap was released without charge. Had done nothing wrong. So whatever made the cooper start running his mouth was completely unnecessary. I really do hope they make an example of this fool.
No it doesnt

bitchstewie

50,781 posts

209 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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TVR1 said:
What fking 'hard way?' Another Police violence apologist?
Not in the slightest, it looks like a total overreaction but I assume the investigation will clear that up and hopefully with the benefit of seeing all of the exchange rather than the bit that looks good on Facebook.

You have to question whether the same thing would have happened had the driver simply got out the car when asked which is what I'd call "the easy way".

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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AndStilliRise said:
Chap was released without charge. Had done nothing wrong. So whatever made the cooper start running his mouth was completely unnecessary. I really do hope they make an example of this fool.
You can't judge whether the actions are legal & proportionate based on whether a person was charged or not (or indeed on whether they are innocent or not).
An investigation is taking place & they will determine whether it was legal & proportionate based on the full details, rather than a knee jerk reaction to a brief piece of edited video.
That's not being apologist, if the officers are found to have acted illegally & disproportionately then I am happy for them to be dealt with for it.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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bhstewie said:
Not in the slightest, it looks like a total overreaction but I assume the investigation will clear that up and hopefully with the benefit of seeing all of the exchange rather than the bit that looks good on Facebook.

You have to question whether the same thing would have happened had the driver simply got out the car when asked which is what I'd call "the easy way".
Agreed.

Call me cynical but the driver seemed to be ready and prepared to film the incident but NOT to do what the Police Officer asked. Almost as if he was setting the policeman up?

RogueTrooper

882 posts

170 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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TVR1 said:
Did you choose to ignore the part in all of the reporting that then goes on to say

'Released without charge?'

Or would that be an uncomfortable truth, that the chap involved had done nothing wrong, other than 'being in the possession of curly black hair and thick lips'.
The reports I've seen say "not arrested" rather than "released without charge." You don't have to be arrested and charged to face sanction; you might be reported and subsequently summonsed instead. This second scenario would be typical for something like no insurance/driving other than in accordance with a licence.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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It's been covered but it's pretty obvious that the outcome of an investigation doesn't necessarily have any relevance to any actions during it.

There's ample scope for this to be justified and lawful. Equally, it may not be. Force is down to an individual to justify.

At this stage anyone who makes a definitive conclusion is too foolish to realise their own limitations of a) legal knowledge b) recognising the need for more information to make any rational judgement.




swindler

253 posts

178 months

Sunday 18th September 2016
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Perhaps when initially requested the chap should have got out of his car. Is that so complex?