The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 12]
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Pommygranite said:
RedTrident said:
Rather we seem to be in the habit of selling our best players and then using that money to buy 4 or 5 new players and repeat the cycle.
Which best player have we sold to fund which 4 or 5 new players?Sterling funded the latest rebuild.
Torres funded the rebuild before that.
No doubt if we fail to invest in this window we will see Coutinho funding the next rebuild.
Tell me something, why would players like Mane and Coutinho stay if we fail to get top 4? Genuine champions league talent missing out season after season. The best players want to win trophies, and I don't mean the League Cup.
RedTrident said:
Pommygranite said:
RedTrident said:
Rather we seem to be in the habit of selling our best players and then using that money to buy 4 or 5 new players and repeat the cycle.
Which best player have we sold to fund which 4 or 5 new players?Sterling funded the latest rebuild.
Torres funded the rebuild before that.
No doubt if we fail to invest in this window we will see Coutinho funding the next rebuild.
Tell me something, why would players like Mane and Coutinho stay if we fail to get top 4? Genuine champions league talent missing out season after season. The best players want to win trophies, and I don't mean the League Cup.
Torres was done when we sold him and certainly wasnt 'our best player' at that time.
Both Sterling and Torres were touted as great bits of business at the time and neither did or have done that well since.
Suarez was allured by Real.
I think you're being revisionist to back up this arguement you have with FSG's policy.
Fun is better elsewhere.
Money is better elsewhere
Klopp. Without winning trophies it's not going to be enough.
And to remind us of my point. I thought Clyne had a really poor game by his standards. Then read he played with injections. Completely unacceptable for a team with any ambitions.
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/the-damaging-defeat-to...
Money is better elsewhere
Klopp. Without winning trophies it's not going to be enough.
And to remind us of my point. I thought Clyne had a really poor game by his standards. Then read he played with injections. Completely unacceptable for a team with any ambitions.
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/the-damaging-defeat-to...
It's staggering really - we've only lost 3 games this season, nearly went a year unbeaten at home, one of the best goal differences in the league and yet comments like 'we'll do well to get top 4' are made.
It's a staggering lack of perspective and it hurts to lose the game yesterday but we have the majority of games remaining at home, our best defender is now back and available and we've got our best players back from injury now.
It would be farcical to pretend we are league leaders but we aren't far from it literally and metaphorically.
I have faith.
It's a staggering lack of perspective and it hurts to lose the game yesterday but we have the majority of games remaining at home, our best defender is now back and available and we've got our best players back from injury now.
It would be farcical to pretend we are league leaders but we aren't far from it literally and metaphorically.
I have faith.
And it doesn't start now either.
I remember clearly when you were getting in the same mood RT in January back when we nearly won the league, continuously crapping on that we just HAD to buy in the January window or we'd suffer and we only lost as 2 key team members made errors, nothing new players would have solved.
I think additional players would be beneficial for depth but assuming they'll cure our ills is just wrong - we need to solve our current players issues first.
You can have depth, extra players and 'superstars' but it's been shown more often than not this is not guaranteed to work.
I remember clearly when you were getting in the same mood RT in January back when we nearly won the league, continuously crapping on that we just HAD to buy in the January window or we'd suffer and we only lost as 2 key team members made errors, nothing new players would have solved.
I think additional players would be beneficial for depth but assuming they'll cure our ills is just wrong - we need to solve our current players issues first.
You can have depth, extra players and 'superstars' but it's been shown more often than not this is not guaranteed to work.
RedTrident said:
Fun is better elsewhere.
Money is better elsewhere
Klopp. Without winning trophies it's not going to be enough.
And to remind us of my point. I thought Clyne had a really poor game by his standards. Then read he played with injections. Completely unacceptable for a team with any ambitions.
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/the-damaging-defeat-to...
In reference to my last pointMoney is better elsewhere
Klopp. Without winning trophies it's not going to be enough.
And to remind us of my point. I thought Clyne had a really poor game by his standards. Then read he played with injections. Completely unacceptable for a team with any ambitions.
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/the-damaging-defeat-to...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJGP0-GjhsM
Flip Martian said:
Who are these people who never think there is a problem? I thought pretty much everyone on here agrees and recognises where our weaknesses and deficiencies are. Some go on about those weaknesses more than others but we are mostly on the same page. The only time people have thought everything was great was when we were winning and playing well (no surprise there). That includes people who now criticise Klopp for making "basic selection/formation errors", slag off certain players and rant when their demands for signings don't happen as soon as we play poorly.
I don't think anyone on here thinks there isn't a problem that needs fixing. Even on good days, the problems are usually there.
Some people here just don't jump into the deep end after a bad result and trust that eventually those mistakes will be ironed out - by training or new personnel coming in at some point - this month/in the Summer etc. Today was a bad day at the office, after several others. We can all see what needs fixing.
I understand comments against the person who goes off on a big rant at each loss about how each player is terrible etc. But it seems that others of us get grouped into the same category - for example questioning getting a new LB to replace Moreno. Obviously there may not have been someone good enough available now, but I do feel if we had someone a lot better than Moreno we could have got the benefit of Milner in midfield during this time we lost some of the important midfielders. He obviously does a fantastic job as LB, but he also did a fantastic job in midfield - just look at all the assists he gave us. Yet it seemed as if calling for a new LB put you in the same category as "we need to replace the entire team, FSG etc) in previous discussions etc.I don't think anyone on here thinks there isn't a problem that needs fixing. Even on good days, the problems are usually there.
Some people here just don't jump into the deep end after a bad result and trust that eventually those mistakes will be ironed out - by training or new personnel coming in at some point - this month/in the Summer etc. Today was a bad day at the office, after several others. We can all see what needs fixing.
Pommygranite said:
It's staggering really - we've only lost 3 games this season, nearly went a year unbeaten at home, one of the best goal differences in the league and yet comments like 'we'll do well to get top 4' are made.
It's a staggering lack of perspective and it hurts to lose the game yesterday but we have the majority of games remaining at home, our best defender is now back and available and we've got our best players back from injury now.
It would be farcical to pretend we are league leaders but we aren't far from it literally and metaphorically.
I have faith.
I have no idea if we will get top 4 - but despite all the improvements and those stats you provide (which are great positive news and a sign of building for the future!) then between the current league table and the form of our team and compared to other teams around us then it would be easy to slip out of the top 4 since everyone is so close (the same for any of the clubs there who have a bad patch between now and the end of the season, apart from perhaps Chelsea). However it's all a work in progress and there have been promising signs this season. It does seem that the improvements in the team this season have been a result of 2 new players that have come in, and without them we have issues (lots of possession but leak goals badly). But it is to be expected - too many new players at once will mess the team up as seen previously.It's a staggering lack of perspective and it hurts to lose the game yesterday but we have the majority of games remaining at home, our best defender is now back and available and we've got our best players back from injury now.
It would be farcical to pretend we are league leaders but we aren't far from it literally and metaphorically.
I have faith.
I don't think there is any Liverpool supporting poster on here who wouldn't want to sign a better player than one we have.
There is only one poster who would call our players turds or cowards, and not only that refer but to Kenny Dalglish as dog s
t.
Most of us just want to try and enjoy the season and discuss the ups and downs on here.
There is only one poster who would call our players turds or cowards, and not only that refer but to Kenny Dalglish as dog s
t.Most of us just want to try and enjoy the season and discuss the ups and downs on here.
desolate said:
I don't think there is any Liverpool supporting poster on here who wouldn't want to sign a better player than one we have.
There is only one poster who would call our players turds or cowards, and not only that refer but to Kenny Dalglish as dog st.
Most of us just want to try and enjoy the season and discuss the ups and downs on here.
I was ignoring that person as I think most have made their minds up on the comments that happen whenever we lose.There is only one poster who would call our players turds or cowards, and not only that refer but to Kenny Dalglish as dog s
t.Most of us just want to try and enjoy the season and discuss the ups and downs on here.
I'm pretty sure a few games ago the reason we did badly was due to Henderson not playing if I remember right?
Today he is the coward now.NRS said:
I was ignoring that person as I think most have made their minds up on the comments that happen whenever we lose.
I'm pretty sure a few games ago the reason we did badly was due to Henderson not playing if I remember right? Today he is the coward now.
I've heard he has a poorly foot.I'm pretty sure a few games ago the reason we did badly was due to Henderson not playing if I remember right?
Today he is the coward now.It will all be ok soon.
Pommygranite said:
And it doesn't start now either.
I remember clearly when you were getting in the same mood RT in January back when we nearly won the league, continuously crapping on that we just HAD to buy in the January window or we'd suffer and we only lost as 2 key team members made errors, nothing new players would have solved.
I think additional players would be beneficial for depth but assuming they'll cure our ills is just wrong - we need to solve our current players issues first.
You can have depth, extra players and 'superstars' but it's been shown more often than not this is not guaranteed to work.
We ran out of steam that season also. No depth.I remember clearly when you were getting in the same mood RT in January back when we nearly won the league, continuously crapping on that we just HAD to buy in the January window or we'd suffer and we only lost as 2 key team members made errors, nothing new players would have solved.
I think additional players would be beneficial for depth but assuming they'll cure our ills is just wrong - we need to solve our current players issues first.
You can have depth, extra players and 'superstars' but it's been shown more often than not this is not guaranteed to work.
I look at our recent loss of form. Moving Lallana further forward has resulted in our midfield looking pedestrian. If we had someone who could play further forward whilst Mane was out, something we've known about all season, then we wouldn't be looking so toothless in midfield.
RedTrident said:
We ran out of steam that season also. No depth.
I look at our recent loss of form. Moving Lallana further forward has resulted in our midfield looking pedestrian. If we had someone who could play further forward whilst Mane was out, something we've known about all season, then we wouldn't be looking so toothless in midfield.
How can you say we ran out of steam then? Did we not win/ draw almost everything after Christmas?I look at our recent loss of form. Moving Lallana further forward has resulted in our midfield looking pedestrian. If we had someone who could play further forward whilst Mane was out, something we've known about all season, then we wouldn't be looking so toothless in midfield.
NRS said:
How can you say we ran out of steam then? Did we not win/ draw almost everything after Christmas?
I thought you were ignoring him?Problem with his current argument is we had no depth after Henderson got sent off. We were smashing it until then.
No swearing at all in this post.
edited because Captain Caveman got sent off, not injured.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 22 January 00:38
Clyne played with injections...players have been playing with the aid of injections for many many years. I hope the injections are more advanced these days, they're the reason so many of the old footballers ended up walking with sticks.
We are lacking in depth, we all know that. I doubt any of us are happy with that situation but really, if the players Klopp wanted were there (up to a certain price point) and they wanted to come to us, I think we'd have bought them.
For all we know, he might have told our best players "this is a 2 or 3 season trip. We won't win the league this year but we'll push it close and be far better - and next season you'll all benefit from being better players and we get to have a genuine crack at it" and they've all signed up to that. Speculation that our best players will just leave is no more informed than a desk jockey on the Daily Mail. We don't know.
We are lacking in depth, we all know that. I doubt any of us are happy with that situation but really, if the players Klopp wanted were there (up to a certain price point) and they wanted to come to us, I think we'd have bought them.
For all we know, he might have told our best players "this is a 2 or 3 season trip. We won't win the league this year but we'll push it close and be far better - and next season you'll all benefit from being better players and we get to have a genuine crack at it" and they've all signed up to that. Speculation that our best players will just leave is no more informed than a desk jockey on the Daily Mail. We don't know.
Flip Martian said:
Clyne played with injections...players have been playing with the aid of injections for many many years. I hope the injections are more advanced these days, they're the reason so many of the old footballers ended up walking with sticks.
We are lacking in depth, we all know that. I doubt any of us are happy with that situation but really, if the players Klopp wanted were there (up to a certain price point) and they wanted to come to us, I think we'd have bought them.
For all we know, he might have told our best players "this is a 2 or 3 season trip. We won't win the league this year but we'll push it close and be far better - and next season you'll all benefit from being better players and we get to have a genuine crack at it" and they've all signed up to that. Speculation that our best players will just leave is no more informed than a desk jockey on the Daily Mail. We don't know.
Klopp comes across as a pretty honest guy. I'm sure he's come straight out and told the players that FSG have no intention of winning the league, so just settle for top four because why try harder.We are lacking in depth, we all know that. I doubt any of us are happy with that situation but really, if the players Klopp wanted were there (up to a certain price point) and they wanted to come to us, I think we'd have bought them.
For all we know, he might have told our best players "this is a 2 or 3 season trip. We won't win the league this year but we'll push it close and be far better - and next season you'll all benefit from being better players and we get to have a genuine crack at it" and they've all signed up to that. Speculation that our best players will just leave is no more informed than a desk jockey on the Daily Mail. We don't know.
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