The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 12]

[joshcowin]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

That's what people tell themselves to convince themselves they're not gutted that they haven't been bought by a gazillionaire. But when you get bought by one, and the trophies roll in, you'll love it.

Not true! I am genuinely pleased we are a team who tries to develop younger players.

I wonder what would happen if one of these rich boys gets bored with the game? I want to see it happen just to see what occurs.

[Adam B]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

That's what people tell themselves to convince themselves they're not gutted that they haven't been bought by a gazillionaire. But when you get bought by one, and the trophies roll in, you'll love it.

Tend to agree with you however apparently there is a better solution - the UK will be governed by a new socialist party, all EPL teams will be nationalized and sold to supporters for a tenner, and Trump will join Greenpeace.

Then Chelsea and City will be screwed - mwahahahaha

[joshcowin]

Adam B said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

That's what people tell themselves to convince themselves they're not gutted that they haven't been bought by a gazillionaire. But when you get bought by one, and the trophies roll in, you'll love it.

Tend to agree with you however apparently there is a better solution - the UK will be governed by a new socialist party, all EPL teams will be nationalized and sold to supporters for a tenner, and Trump will join Greenpeace.

Then Chelsea and City will be screwed - mwahahahaha

Not before we have replaced our decent LB and hunted down cowardly desolate for a good kicking

[type-r]

joshcowin said:

Makes sense, he can put a decent ball in the box. However I am biased as I really want him to transform!

I would love to see a transformation too; I really would. However he has had 2.5 years here and has anyone seen any signs of improvement? For me, he just lacks a footballing brain - being able to know where to be at the right time. Can you coach that? I doubt it. Often his positional sense is found wanting and generally when he sees the goal like a bull sees a red flag - just charges towards it and blasts a shot, inevitable wide or high. What he has in energy and desire he lacks in the mental side - IMO of course!

Having said that, willing to give him the benefit of doubt for 2 or 3 games - we are lacking pace in the team so let's try him out and see what he can do!

[m3sye]

http://www.espnfc.com/story/3044743/christian-puli...

Brandt in the summer then ...

[Adam B]

type-r said:

I would love to see a transformation too; I really would. However he has had 2.5 years here and has anyone seen any signs of improvement? For me, he just lacks a brain

FTFY, lovely hairstyles though

To be honest we could try him as a LW, I just don't want him anywhere near the defence

Edited by Adam B on Monday 23 January 15:54

[TwigtheWonderkid]

joshcowin said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

That's what people tell themselves to convince themselves they're not gutted that they haven't been bought by a gazillionaire. But when you get bought by one, and the trophies roll in, you'll love it.

Not true! I am genuinely pleased we are a team who tries to develop younger players.

Like Keegan and Dalgleish...and the greatest of all, Nigel Spackman.

When I was a kid it was Liverpool and Utd who bought up the best players, whilst the rest of us said "I'm glad we're not like that" when deep down we were all envious.

[joshcowin]

type-r said:

I would love to see a transformation too; I really would. However he has had 2.5 years here and has anyone seen any signs of improvement? For me, he just lacks a footballing brain - being able to know where to be at the right time. Can you coach that? I doubt it. Often his positional sense is found wanting and generally when he sees the goal like a bull sees a red flag - just charges towards it and blasts a shot, inevitable wide or high. What he has in energy and desire he lacks in the mental side - IMO of course!

Having said that, willing to give him the benefit of doubt for 2 or 3 games - we are lacking pace in the team so let's try him out and see what he can do!

Not disagreeing but wasn't there some stats on here that showed when he did play he (admittedly on paper) played well coming forward with the ball(crosses and passes).

I think give him a crack if Karius gets a go when Mings had done nothing wrong and actually improved slightly why not try moreno out for a game? I'm sure it would shock the opposition.

[gareth h]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Like Keegan and Dalgleish...and the greatest of all, Nigel Spackman.

When I was a kid it was Liverpool and Utd who bought up the best players, whilst the rest of us said "I'm glad we're not like that" when deep down we were all envious.

Spackman was a product of Cricklade College, when they could get him out of bed for a Wednesday afternoon game!

[revrange]

For me at the moment the 1st 11 is great when fit. The problem is beyond that clearly we are lacking. Ings getting injured was a real blow as i see him as a real Klopp type forward, full of running workrate, and he scores goals.

Klopp wants to develop young talent, all for that, but in this league and with the competitions he is trying to win, calling on 2 or 3 youngsters is fine but he using them heavily as there isnt much in the squad.

Squad players who should come in and make a differecne are also out of form, DS, Origi etc, which doesnt help.

Henderson clearly isnt fully fit but battling on.

This summer klopp will need to sign a new centre mid who brings Henderson work rate to the team, a new centre back, sorry Lovern isnt cutting it for me, and a new winger with pace to go with Mane or replace if injured etc.

[Black can man]

revrange said:

This summer klopp will need to sign a new centre mid who brings Henderson work rate to the team, a new centre back, sorry Lovern isnt cutting it for me, and a new winger with pace to go with Mane or replace if injured etc.

Surely he needs to buy them now while you're still in the mix .


If you finish out of the top 4 that will just set you back another year wouldn't it ?


Although I love the idea of bringing youth & young talent through you only have to look at the team that's cruising the league this year. they are said to have the best youth policy & best youth teams but rarely does one make it into their first team.

[ExocetApe]

Bring in better replacements for Sakho, Can, Clyne and Sturridge with a net spend of around 80 million.

Add in any other ins and outs like Markovich and there should be an improvement to the squad as a whole.

[anonymous-user]

ExocetApe said:

Bring in better replacements for Sakho, Can, Clyne and Sturridge with a net spend of around 80 million.

Add in any other ins and outs like Markovich and there should be an improvement to the squad as a whole.

Is that on Xbox or PlayStation?

[type-r]

Hull looking to sign Markovic on loan - if the rumours that Sporting Lisbon are imminently going to terminate his loan contract.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38720260

I would have thought Klopp would want a sale? Similar to Sakho.

[m3sye]

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/251563-...

[Adam B]

Black can man said:

Surely he needs to buy them now while you're still in the mix .

If you finish out of the top 4 that will just set you back another year wouldn't it ?

Although I love the idea of bringing youth & young talent through you only have to look at the team that's cruising the league this year. they are said to have the best youth policy & best youth teams but rarely does one make it into their first team.

Unfortunately I agree with this, we will continue in this loop until we get very lucky (Suarez) or get bought out by a dodgy oligarch

[epom]

Its tough lads, it has been for 27 years. Which will soon become 28. I fear we will lose Coutinho in the summer. I'll be deeply unhappy with that, but alas that is the modern game, as is having owners like FSG. What can I do about it ? Very little to be honest.
The Klopp momentum will last until next summer, by momentum I mean the feel good factor about coming to play for Liverpool once more. We will need to spend, more than what we will get for Coutinho, too. This will be a very clear indication of where intentions lie. Everything else is just speculation and opinions.

[NRS]

Adam B said:

Black can man said:

Surely he needs to buy them now while you're still in the mix .

If you finish out of the top 4 that will just set you back another year wouldn't it ?

Although I love the idea of bringing youth & young talent through you only have to look at the team that's cruising the league this year. they are said to have the best youth policy & best youth teams but rarely does one make it into their first team.

Unfortunately I agree with this, we will continue in this loop until we get very lucky (Suarez) or get bought out by a dodgy oligarch

The issue with "buying now while we're still in the mix" is that playing the replacement may well put you out of the mix. Just take a look at City's new keeper. They had a similar position to us with Hart - he can do very well sometimes, but also make silly errors. They got a new keeper and he's probably cost them a lot of goals and put them in a lower position than they would have been with Hart. It's all well and good saying buy a better player, but it's more likely that player will make the team worse - at least for the initial starting period as they need to get used to the new team. Very few players will do a Mane and instantly improve the team. Some will grow into it with time, and others will just be always rubbish.

I do think we maybe should buy one or two new players though. The LB would be an obvious position. However I'd keep playing Henderson in the League/ important cup games and then play the replacement in the smaller games to get them used to the team. If they stand out there then potentially move Milner back into midfield so he can contribute with his assists like before. If the new person is rubbish then move Milner back again if needed.

A new world class keeper would be nice, but to be honest will we get one? I doubt it with City also looking. A striker would also be good, but I am not sure there is anyone obvious that would be available now that would suite us?

[m3sye]

NRS said:

A new world class keeper would be nice, but to be honest will we get one? I doubt it with City also looking. A striker would also be good, but I am not sure there is anyone obvious that would be available now that would suite us?

I dont think any top draw striker would come to us unless we either won the league or paid them 60k a week more than the other bidding clubs and in turn probably destroy any line of wage structure that we have...a top top striker would be 250k a week +, we are not a club who will do that

Klopp needs to do what Dortmund are doing and pay a premium for the best world talent of youth and pick up plays in the next group down of top 5 who is young and wants to prove to the world he is world class and be fighting for their signature with clubs like Spurs/Arsenal/A .Madrid/Napoli etc etc

[joshcowin]

NRS said:

The issue with "buying now while we're still in the mix" is that playing the replacement may well put you out of the mix. Just take a look at City's new keeper. They had a similar position to us with Hart - he can do very well sometimes, but also make silly errors. They got a new keeper and he's probably cost them a lot of goals and put them in a lower position than they would have been with Hart. It's all well and good saying buy a better player, but it's more likely that player will make the team worse - at least for the initial starting period as they need to get used to the new team. Very few players will do a Mane and instantly improve the team. Some will grow into it with time, and others will just be always rubbish.

I do think we maybe should buy one or two new players though. The LB would be an obvious position. However I'd keep playing Henderson in the League/ important cup games and then play the replacement in the smaller games to get them used to the team. If they stand out there then potentially move Milner back into midfield so he can contribute with his assists like before. If the new person is rubbish then move Milner back again if needed.

A new world class keeper would be nice, but to be honest will we get one? I doubt it with City also looking. A striker would also be good, but I am not sure there is anyone obvious that would be available now that would suite us?

I agree completely with your first paragraph.

However, why a LB we have Millie there who has settled into that role really well, it could be argued that his impact/stability there has helped us as much as him being a midfielder would have! I get he is a midfielder and he plays well there yes, but to me he has shown that he can play LB so well why move him now. I honestly think he has been our most consistent player this season, and I cannot see why you would change that?

Also this keeper crisis we have, what has mings done wrong this season so far? He has improved and I honestly feel that he has stepped up to the challenge, I am not saying he is amazing every keeper has a weakness, no single player is perfect. Who is available that could better him?