The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 12]
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Chris Stott said:
jammy-git said:
If the spending commitments are accurate, no one could criticise the owners, but the article captures the real challenge - we just don't have the recent success as some of our competitors and just aren't as attractive a choice. Time to see how persuasive and inspiring Klopp can be.
I wonder when he says "the penny has finally dropped that we need players that are proven rather than players with potential". I've been saying that on here for many years. It is obvious we need quality. It is not something new. Is this Joyce simply offering up his own personal wishes before fact?
jammy-git said:
Oh I think they should, but I don't think some players can show their best until they're given a good run of games. Just look at Hernandez - a very average player at Utd but signs of promise, now has a better than 1 in 2 goals per game ratio at Leverkusen.
Maybe it's more that the bundesliga suits his game far better.
we could certainly do with two Firminos. For when one has his regular off day. 
Chris Stott said:
jammy-git said:
If the spending commitments are accurate, no one could criticise the owners, but the article captures the real challenge - we just don't have the recent success as some of our competitors and just aren't as attractive a choice. Time to see how persuasive and inspiring Klopp can be.
And even if we decide to splash £100m on players, I can't help but think we'll spend most of the summer trying to sign James from Real for £40m and then ultimately get Gray from Leicester for £35m.
type-r said:
Another end of season article for me, simply to whet fans appetite. But laced with "well we may not actually get any of the players I have mentioned". Joyce may be close to the reds but it kinda smacks of: well I need to write something.... £100m is a nice headline grabbing figure.
I wonder when he says "the penny has finally dropped that we need players that are proven rather than players with potential". I've been saying that on here for many years. It is obvious we need quality. It is not something new. Is this Joyce simply offering up his own personal wishes before fact?
Agreed with all that. Space filler article that says nothing concrete about anything, for me.I wonder when he says "the penny has finally dropped that we need players that are proven rather than players with potential". I've been saying that on here for many years. It is obvious we need quality. It is not something new. Is this Joyce simply offering up his own personal wishes before fact?
Flip Martian said:
Sturridge WAS like that yes. Why can't Origi be? Players should take their chances when they get in the first team, that's always been the case. He seems to be invisible when he comes on sometimes.
Kind of agree really, you are coming on for 10-20 mins fresh against a tiring defence, you SHOULD make an impact - ok not score every time but shake things up and create chances. The likes of Rashford (very good player) rarely start but manage itAdam B said:
Kind of agree really, you are coming on for 10-20 mins fresh against a tiring defence, you SHOULD make an impact - ok not score every time but shake things up and create chances. The likes of Rashford (very good player) rarely start but manage it
I just think if you bring on a player as a sub, you want them to make an impact - especially with a forward. That's what they're coming on for. Impress then, and in training, and that would lead to more game time. You don't bring on a forward in the last part of the game to wander about being anonymous. Chris Stott said:
jammy-git said:
If the spending commitments are accurate, no one could criticise the owners, but the article captures the real challenge - we just don't have the recent success as some of our competitors and just aren't as attractive a choice. Time to see how persuasive and inspiring Klopp can be.
type-r said:
Another end of season article for me, simply to whet fans appetite. But laced with "well we may not actually get any of the players I have mentioned". Joyce may be close to the reds but it kinda smacks of: well I need to write something.... £100m is a nice headline grabbing figure.
I wonder when he says "the penny has finally dropped that we need players that are proven rather than players with potential". I've been saying that on here for many years. It is obvious we need quality. It is not something new. Is this Joyce simply offering up his own personal wishes before fact?
100M then means we have 2 or 3 players. Which then is likely to have 1 flop, 1 ok and 1 good (statistically). It's a mix of proven and potential we need.I wonder when he says "the penny has finally dropped that we need players that are proven rather than players with potential". I've been saying that on here for many years. It is obvious we need quality. It is not something new. Is this Joyce simply offering up his own personal wishes before fact?
NRS said:
100M then means we have 2 or 3 players. Which then is likely to have 1 flop, 1 ok and 1 good (statistically). It's a mix of proven and potential we need.
Could be 4 or 5 if we recoup circa £50-60m through sales. Unless that £100m includes sales, which wouldn't be surprising, unfortunately.
For me, we shouldn't sign more than 1 potential. We should bring in the TAA's and Woodburn's. We need experience and quality, some with natural leadership qualities and we will only get through quality transfers.
Even someone like Defoe - could be signed for not much money, would bring quality and experience, proven scoring ability and would for me be an ideal squad player given his age. Still has got the pace and more importantly, the hunger and desire. But if FSG still weigh on the side of young and potential with sell-on in mind, we'll just stuck in deja vu land forever.
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Nice to see the little Magician getting a good goal the other night - lets hope he is back to form for Sat
Nice to see the little Magician getting a good goal the other night - lets hope he is back to form for Sat
As it's a little quite on here recently, I thought I'd put a few names down on here to who I think would be ideal signings to boost the squad and not break the bank.
- Defoe would be a perfect signing imo. Brings good experience, still very sharp and has 14 league goals this season. No mean feat considering the players/service he has had. I've also read he's available for free if (or perhaps when) Sunderland are relegated.
- Sigurdsson. I know he didn't light the world on fire at Tottenham, but I feel he didn't get a proper chance there and he's undoubtedly Swansea's best player. Without his assists and goals, they would be in real trouble now. When Coutinho is off form, I think Sigurdsson would be able to do a job there. He could also be pushed into a 3 man midfield and play the Lallana type role, which would give us a few options to play different styles/formations. Until now, I also didn't realise he is top of the assist charts throughout Europe's top 5 leagues with 11 and he also has 8 goals to his name. Very impressive from a relegation threatened team.
- Defoe would be a perfect signing imo. Brings good experience, still very sharp and has 14 league goals this season. No mean feat considering the players/service he has had. I've also read he's available for free if (or perhaps when) Sunderland are relegated.
- Sigurdsson. I know he didn't light the world on fire at Tottenham, but I feel he didn't get a proper chance there and he's undoubtedly Swansea's best player. Without his assists and goals, they would be in real trouble now. When Coutinho is off form, I think Sigurdsson would be able to do a job there. He could also be pushed into a 3 man midfield and play the Lallana type role, which would give us a few options to play different styles/formations. Until now, I also didn't realise he is top of the assist charts throughout Europe's top 5 leagues with 11 and he also has 8 goals to his name. Very impressive from a relegation threatened team.
Disagree on both those points.
Defoe is a clinical finisher granted, but so is Sturridge. We don't need a clinical finisher, we don't have a problem scoring goals, we are top scorers in the league. What we do need is someone special that can unlock defences. If James at Real is realistically available and there is little competition for him then I'd be going all out to get him. Finally someone who can produce something special, something out of nothing that wins the difficult games and help lead in the big games.
Siggurdsson is a poor mans Lallana. Good player, but a squad player and would be wasted at Liverpool if not playing every week, which he wouldn't.
Defoe is a clinical finisher granted, but so is Sturridge. We don't need a clinical finisher, we don't have a problem scoring goals, we are top scorers in the league. What we do need is someone special that can unlock defences. If James at Real is realistically available and there is little competition for him then I'd be going all out to get him. Finally someone who can produce something special, something out of nothing that wins the difficult games and help lead in the big games.
Siggurdsson is a poor mans Lallana. Good player, but a squad player and would be wasted at Liverpool if not playing every week, which he wouldn't.
defoe - cant see it not a Klopp player at all
Gylfi - you are massively underrating Jammy - he would be a very good addition and give us good strength ..he would battle it out with a number of players for 1st 11, no one should be guaranteed, Lallana has been pretty crap for a couple of months bar a the odd good game in honesty
Gylfi - you are massively underrating Jammy - he would be a very good addition and give us good strength ..he would battle it out with a number of players for 1st 11, no one should be guaranteed, Lallana has been pretty crap for a couple of months bar a the odd good game in honesty
Very harsh calling Sigurdsson a poor mans Lallana when he has more assists and more goals. Okay Lallana has been playing a little deeper recently, but then again Sigurdsson has been playing in a poorer team. He's consistently Swansea's best player and his contributions to that team (along with Llorente) is basically keeping them in this division.
As for Defoe, I'm not saying we should go into the season with him as our first choice striker, however I'd much rather see him come off the bench than Origi. As for saying Sturridge is clinical and can score goals, yes I agree he can, be he's never fit what what use is that? I also slightly disagree on your point about scoring goals Jammy. Yes we are the top scorers, but I sometimes feel if we had someone reliable in front of goal who you know is going to score 99% of the time, we could've had much more. I do like Firmino and his work rate is great, but for some games (like teams that sit deep) you don't necessarily need a player with good work rate, just someone who is constantly hassling defenders in the box to create space for himself and others around him. This is what Defoe does well.
As for Defoe, I'm not saying we should go into the season with him as our first choice striker, however I'd much rather see him come off the bench than Origi. As for saying Sturridge is clinical and can score goals, yes I agree he can, be he's never fit what what use is that? I also slightly disagree on your point about scoring goals Jammy. Yes we are the top scorers, but I sometimes feel if we had someone reliable in front of goal who you know is going to score 99% of the time, we could've had much more. I do like Firmino and his work rate is great, but for some games (like teams that sit deep) you don't necessarily need a player with good work rate, just someone who is constantly hassling defenders in the box to create space for himself and others around him. This is what Defoe does well.
m3sye said:
Gylfi - you are massively underrating Jammy - he would be a very good addition and give us good strength ..he would battle it out with a number of players for 1st 11, no one should be guaranteed, Lallana has been pretty crap for a couple of months bar a the odd good game in honesty
Personally I'd rather see us bring in more of a defensive minded midfielder to compete in the midfield three and have Coutinho sometimes take Lallana's position with someone like Origi/Other striker come in.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff