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Great win for rangers in a tough game tonight.
Thought we looked a bit sluggish in the first half but grew into the game as it went on. Hibs had a good spell then Completely lost there discipline.
Another 2 injuries too, if it continues the half time draw prize will be for a start at the next weeks game. Incredible the bad luck we have had with injuries in the past few seasons.
Thought we looked a bit sluggish in the first half but grew into the game as it went on. Hibs had a good spell then Completely lost there discipline.
Another 2 injuries too, if it continues the half time draw prize will be for a start at the next weeks game. Incredible the bad luck we have had with injuries in the past few seasons.
Celtic attacking wise was electric. The absoloute terrible defending made for a cracking game to watch. Tbh all teams should do away with defence and concentrate on attack, makes for a great watch.
Khun finally came alive and showed us why we paid the £3m for him. He was sensational. Fast first touch passing, setting up chance after chance, skinning men for fun. He was growing more and more as the game went on. Hopefully was a bit of cramp and not a full blown injury when he went off. That's over half our starting 5 out. Wild. Worse injury record in the league out of any team by an utter mile. Not had our first 11 for more than 1 game yet.
Khun finally came alive and showed us why we paid the £3m for him. He was sensational. Fast first touch passing, setting up chance after chance, skinning men for fun. He was growing more and more as the game went on. Hopefully was a bit of cramp and not a full blown injury when he went off. That's over half our starting 5 out. Wild. Worse injury record in the league out of any team by an utter mile. Not had our first 11 for more than 1 game yet.
dalzo said:
Quite a Pathetic statement from hibs
Having there own offensive chants and throwing missiles at players but the away teams chanting is where they draw the line.
Soon it will be home games only if s
t like this continues
The good old rangers excuse. "They do it too" Having there own offensive chants and throwing missiles at players but the away teams chanting is where they draw the line.
Soon it will be home games only if s
t like this continuesThats not an excuse for the vile chants at a player potentially dying on field. Sick tbh. Rangers should be fined for that type of behaviour.
hotchy said:
The good old rangers excuse. "They do it too"
Thats not an excuse for the vile chants at a player potentially dying on field. Sick tbh. Rangers should be fined for that type of behaviour.
In the past 2 weeks they have had an opened corkscrew launched at shankland, followed by a pie then we had a vape last night. The chants while Boyle was down was bad however hibs had just chanted lizzies in a box 2 mins before. They need to get their own house in order before criticising anyone else’s.Thats not an excuse for the vile chants at a player potentially dying on field. Sick tbh. Rangers should be fined for that type of behaviour.
Try to look past where the point of view is coming from. Celtic allocation has been reduced too.
Runnyg said:
Nothing wrong with the statement and it even recognises they have their own problem support, something which other clubs rarely do.
The real question is are they honestly doing all they can to eliminate their own wrongdoers ?
Fair enough they want to create a family friendly environment but the last part of your post is pretty much where I’m at. Not going to bore anyone with a list but hibs behaviour in recent years leaves a lot to be desiredThe real question is are they honestly doing all they can to eliminate their own wrongdoers ?
It smacks of a pr stunt for the new owner to endear himself to the fans.
20k capacity at Easter road and attendance for the game was 14k. Can’t see hibs starving themselves of gate money from old firm fans for too long, no team can afford to.
dalzo said:
20k capacity at Easter road and attendance for the game was 14k. Can’t see hibs starving themselves of gate money from old firm fans for too long, no team can afford to.
I see this argument a fair bit from Rangers and Celtic fans but it is a blinkered way of thinking in my experience. As a Motherwell fan, we used to give 2 and a half stands to both teams, moving season ticket holders to do so and although it made some money in the short term, it alienated a number of fans who would have been there 19+ times a season otherwise. The atmosphere at those games is horrible for a home fan when you are outnumbered in your own ground and being subjected to whatever flavour of traditional music is prevalent that day. For clubs who want to attract families who return for years on end, it isn't always best to take the easy money while losing their own fans and I know several fans who didn't return after that period.
The other problem is the influence larger away crowds have on the pitch. Loud away fans in bigger numbers will influence the players and referee to the away teams benefit which doesn't help when you are already the underdog.
Runnyg said:
Nothing wrong with the statement and it even recognises they have their own problem support, something which other clubs rarely do.
The real question is are they honestly doing all they can to eliminate their own wrongdoers?
Pretty much. After the Scott Sinclair bottle incident, spent a huge amount of money on that new super-duper CCTV system and happy to ban anyone for life that's caught doing something naughty. Statement released after the Ibrox disaster stuff and lifetime bans given. Acknowledged several times now we have our own issues.The real question is are they honestly doing all they can to eliminate their own wrongdoers?
The allocation cut for Rangers has been on the cards since the Ron Gordon stuff. Sunday's sing song "to die a fenian b
d" aimed while Boyle lay unconscious on the ground was the final straw (and to a lesser extend "we, poofs and junkies" and No Pope of Rome).The Hibs statement is s
t just lumping everything in together. Had a chance to specifically call out the anti-catholic ditty's but just lumped everything in together. I'm not sure why Celtic's allocation is getting cut? Never heard a peep from them a few weeks back, unless they're going back to earlier in the season when they had a 10 minute rendition of the Sam Song chorus? If its purely pyrotechnics then Dundee a fortnight ago was arguable worse seeing as they launched about 2-3 smoke bombs on the park...I'm not arsed about songs and pyro, but happy to see OF allocations reduced at Easter Road and elsewhere. The entitlement is off the scale and it re-addresses the balance of "Scottish football needs RaNgeRs & CeLtiC". Incredible that people think that with a billionaire co-owner sitting on our board, having £200k less a season on gate receipts, minus expenses, is going to make us do a Sevco.
John87 said:
I see this argument a fair bit from Rangers and Celtic fans but it is a blinkered way of thinking in my experience.
As a Motherwell fan, we used to give 2 and a half stands to both teams, moving season ticket holders to do so and although it made some money in the short term, it alienated a number of fans who would have been there 19+ times a season otherwise. The atmosphere at those games is horrible for a home fan when you are outnumbered in your own ground and being subjected to whatever flavour of traditional music is prevalent that day. For clubs who want to attract families who return for years on end, it isn't always best to take the easy money while losing their own fans and I know several fans who didn't return after that period.
The other problem is the influence larger away crowds have on the pitch. Loud away fans in bigger numbers will influence the players and referee to the away teams benefit which doesn't help when you are already the underdog.
It’s a fair point but there been multiple schemes over the years that have tried to get people in the doors, sell out Saturday, letting kids in free, etc and failed. As a Motherwell fan, we used to give 2 and a half stands to both teams, moving season ticket holders to do so and although it made some money in the short term, it alienated a number of fans who would have been there 19+ times a season otherwise. The atmosphere at those games is horrible for a home fan when you are outnumbered in your own ground and being subjected to whatever flavour of traditional music is prevalent that day. For clubs who want to attract families who return for years on end, it isn't always best to take the easy money while losing their own fans and I know several fans who didn't return after that period.
The other problem is the influence larger away crowds have on the pitch. Loud away fans in bigger numbers will influence the players and referee to the away teams benefit which doesn't help when you are already the underdog.
Livingston for example, probably wouldn’t survive in the top league without getting old firm away crowds taking over there stadium.
It’s a bit of a conundrum for clubs like Motherwell, while I don’t think they need to have either clubs to survive it would certainly help to hold on to players like miller and build a better team which would bring better crowds eventually.
I can accept that opposition fans don’t want to hear the bile however it’s never going to change. Would teams rather have lower attendances and have 2 empty stands on tv rather than have rival fans and the gate money that comes with it.
NaePasaran said:
Pretty much. After the Scott Sinclair bottle incident, spent a huge amount of money on that new super-duper CCTV system and happy to ban anyone for life that's caught doing something naughty. Statement released after the Ibrox disaster stuff and lifetime bans given. Acknowledged several times now we have our own issues.
The allocation cut for Rangers has been on the cards since the Ron Gordon stuff. Sunday's sing song "to die a fenian bd" aimed while Boyle lay unconscious on the ground was the final straw (and to a lesser extend "we, poofs and junkies" and No Pope of Rome).
The Hibs statement is st just lumping everything in together. Had a chance to specifically call out the anti-catholic ditty's but just lumped everything in together. I'm not sure why Celtic's allocation is getting cut? Never heard a peep from them a few weeks back, unless they're going back to earlier in the season when they had a 10 minute rendition of the Sam Song chorus? If its purely pyrotechnics then Dundee a fortnight ago was arguable worse seeing as they launched about 2-3 smoke bombs on the park...
I'm not arsed about songs and pyro, but happy to see OF allocations reduced at Easter Road and elsewhere. The entitlement is off the scale and it re-addresses the balance of "Scottish football needs RaNgeRs & CeLtiC". Incredible that people think that with a billionaire co-owner sitting on our board, having £200k less a season on gate receipts, minus expenses, is going to make us do a Sevco.
We could bore each other to death with incidents and who done what but they are still happening even with your super dooper cctv. If they specifically called rangers out then rangers could produce a list just as large, tit for tat will get them no where.The allocation cut for Rangers has been on the cards since the Ron Gordon stuff. Sunday's sing song "to die a fenian b
d" aimed while Boyle lay unconscious on the ground was the final straw (and to a lesser extend "we, poofs and junkies" and No Pope of Rome).The Hibs statement is s
t just lumping everything in together. Had a chance to specifically call out the anti-catholic ditty's but just lumped everything in together. I'm not sure why Celtic's allocation is getting cut? Never heard a peep from them a few weeks back, unless they're going back to earlier in the season when they had a 10 minute rendition of the Sam Song chorus? If its purely pyrotechnics then Dundee a fortnight ago was arguable worse seeing as they launched about 2-3 smoke bombs on the park...I'm not arsed about songs and pyro, but happy to see OF allocations reduced at Easter Road and elsewhere. The entitlement is off the scale and it re-addresses the balance of "Scottish football needs RaNgeRs & CeLtiC". Incredible that people think that with a billionaire co-owner sitting on our board, having £200k less a season on gate receipts, minus expenses, is going to make us do a Sevco.
Why are you happy to see allocations reduced? Easter road is nearly empty everyweek as it is.
Billionaire on the board and 200k less a season yet a half empty stadium and a team of journeymen that get a league or Scottish cup once in a generation. Sounds delightful
dalzo said:
hotchy said:
The good old rangers excuse. "They do it too"
Thats not an excuse for the vile chants at a player potentially dying on field. Sick tbh. Rangers should be fined for that type of behaviour.
In the past 2 weeks they have had an opened corkscrew launched at shankland, followed by a pie then we had a vape last night. The chants while Boyle was down was bad however hibs had just chanted lizzies in a box 2 mins before. They need to get their own house in order before criticising anyone else’s.Thats not an excuse for the vile chants at a player potentially dying on field. Sick tbh. Rangers should be fined for that type of behaviour.
Try to look past where the point of view is coming from. Celtic allocation has been reduced too.
Runnyg said:
Nothing wrong with the statement and it even recognises they have their own problem support, something which other clubs rarely do.
The real question is are they honestly doing all they can to eliminate their own wrongdoers ?
Fair enough they want to create a family friendly environment but the last part of your post is pretty much where I’m at. Not going to bore anyone with a list but hibs behaviour in recent years leaves a lot to be desiredThe real question is are they honestly doing all they can to eliminate their own wrongdoers ?
It smacks of a pr stunt for the new owner to endear himself to the fans.
20k capacity at Easter road and attendance for the game was 14k. Can’t see hibs starving themselves of gate money from old firm fans for too long, no team can afford to.
I was at Easter Road on Sunday and I'm totally in favour of reducing the Rangers and the Celtic away allocation. Your away support is an absolute disgrace and embarrassment to Scottish football.
if we can avoid or even reduce the sectarian songs, hatred, aggression and violence which comes with you lot then happy days.
Martin Boyle, a young married man with two kids, was unconscious and being seen to by first aiders and stretchered off wearing a neck brace and you lot sing "die, ya fenian b
d". Scummiest support in Scotland.Also, we can afford the reduced away tickets because lots of Hibs fans purposely avoid Rangers and Celtic games so they'll return to a sporting, competitive family environment rather than listen to the torrent of sectarian abuse which is from a support stuck in the past.
Also, the referee was in Ranger's back pocket. No surprise. You know the ex-season ticket holder who's brother played for Rangers? The game was lost before kick-off.
dalzo said:
NaePasaran said:
Pretty much. After the Scott Sinclair bottle incident, spent a huge amount of money on that new super-duper CCTV system and happy to ban anyone for life that's caught doing something naughty. Statement released after the Ibrox disaster stuff and lifetime bans given. Acknowledged several times now we have our own issues.
The allocation cut for Rangers has been on the cards since the Ron Gordon stuff. Sunday's sing song "to die a fenian bd" aimed while Boyle lay unconscious on the ground was the final straw (and to a lesser extend "we, poofs and junkies" and No Pope of Rome).
The Hibs statement is st just lumping everything in together. Had a chance to specifically call out the anti-catholic ditty's but just lumped everything in together. I'm not sure why Celtic's allocation is getting cut? Never heard a peep from them a few weeks back, unless they're going back to earlier in the season when they had a 10 minute rendition of the Sam Song chorus? If its purely pyrotechnics then Dundee a fortnight ago was arguable worse seeing as they launched about 2-3 smoke bombs on the park...
I'm not arsed about songs and pyro, but happy to see OF allocations reduced at Easter Road and elsewhere. The entitlement is off the scale and it re-addresses the balance of "Scottish football needs RaNgeRs & CeLtiC". Incredible that people think that with a billionaire co-owner sitting on our board, having £200k less a season on gate receipts, minus expenses, is going to make us do a Sevco.
We could bore each other to death with incidents and who done what but they are still happening even with your super dooper cctv. If they specifically called rangers out then rangers could produce a list just as large, tit for tat will get them no where.The allocation cut for Rangers has been on the cards since the Ron Gordon stuff. Sunday's sing song "to die a fenian b
d" aimed while Boyle lay unconscious on the ground was the final straw (and to a lesser extend "we, poofs and junkies" and No Pope of Rome).The Hibs statement is s
t just lumping everything in together. Had a chance to specifically call out the anti-catholic ditty's but just lumped everything in together. I'm not sure why Celtic's allocation is getting cut? Never heard a peep from them a few weeks back, unless they're going back to earlier in the season when they had a 10 minute rendition of the Sam Song chorus? If its purely pyrotechnics then Dundee a fortnight ago was arguable worse seeing as they launched about 2-3 smoke bombs on the park...I'm not arsed about songs and pyro, but happy to see OF allocations reduced at Easter Road and elsewhere. The entitlement is off the scale and it re-addresses the balance of "Scottish football needs RaNgeRs & CeLtiC". Incredible that people think that with a billionaire co-owner sitting on our board, having £200k less a season on gate receipts, minus expenses, is going to make us do a Sevco.
Why are you happy to see allocations reduced? Easter road is nearly empty everyweek as it is.
Billionaire on the board and 200k less a season yet a half empty stadium and a team of journeymen that get a league or Scottish cup once in a generation. Sounds delightful
Edinburger said:
if you had actually read the full press release rather than just the headline, you'd have seen we're totally admitting and addressing issues with our some of own fan base.
I was at Easter Road on Sunday and I'm totally in favour of reducing the Rangers and the Celtic away allocation. Your away support is an absolute disgrace and embarrassment to Scottish football.
if we can avoid or even reduce the sectarian songs, hatred, aggression and violence which comes with you lot then happy days.
Martin Boyle, a young married man with two kids, was unconscious and being seen to by first aiders and stretchered off wearing a neck brace and you lot sing "die, ya fenian bd". Scummiest support in Scotland.
Also, we can afford the reduced away tickets because lots of Hibs fans purposely avoid Rangers and Celtic games so they'll return to a sporting, competitive family environment rather than listen to the torrent of sectarian abuse which is from a support stuck in the past.
Also, the referee was in Ranger's back pocket. No surprise. You know the ex-season ticket holder who's brother played for Rangers? The game was lost before kick-off.
I had read the full statement and still stick by what I said. Any team can say they are dealing with it but if it’s still happening then it doesn’t hold much weight.I was at Easter Road on Sunday and I'm totally in favour of reducing the Rangers and the Celtic away allocation. Your away support is an absolute disgrace and embarrassment to Scottish football.
if we can avoid or even reduce the sectarian songs, hatred, aggression and violence which comes with you lot then happy days.
Martin Boyle, a young married man with two kids, was unconscious and being seen to by first aiders and stretchered off wearing a neck brace and you lot sing "die, ya fenian b
d". Scummiest support in Scotland.Also, we can afford the reduced away tickets because lots of Hibs fans purposely avoid Rangers and Celtic games so they'll return to a sporting, competitive family environment rather than listen to the torrent of sectarian abuse which is from a support stuck in the past.
Also, the referee was in Ranger's back pocket. No surprise. You know the ex-season ticket holder who's brother played for Rangers? The game was lost before kick-off.
I can produce a list of d
head moves by the hibs support but as I said tit for tat isn’t going to get anyone anywhere, I also know some of the songs were out of order on Sunday but I’ll not have any hibs supporter take some sort of moral high ground when they have one of the worst supports in Scotland.The avoiding rangers argument would hold weight if it wasn’t one of the best attended games each season by hibs
Is that the referees brother who had 0 appearances for rangers and 2 for *checks notes* hibs
Edinburger said:
You're deluded mate.
How so
dalzo said:
We could bore each other to death with incidents and who done what but they are still happening even with your super dooper cctv. If they specifically called rangers out then rangers could produce a list just as large, tit for tat will get them no where.
Why are you happy to see allocations reduced? Easter road is nearly empty everyweek as it is.
Billionaire on the board and 200k less a season yet a half empty stadium and a team of journeymen that get a league or Scottish cup once in a generation. Sounds delightful
There's no tit-for-tat when it comes to religious intolerance. I barely miss a Hibs game and can't recall any anti-protestant chanting, ever. It would be absolutely ridiculous seeing as most of our support are probably atheist with a scattering of protestants and catholic. Rangers however, there has been no shortage of anti-Catholic singing, and it seems to have ramped up at Easter Road since the slashing of tickets at Aberdeen and Celtic away, this seems to be your big "sash bash". Which is why i said Hibs bottled it with the statement, it was a good time to deal with that.Why are you happy to see allocations reduced? Easter road is nearly empty everyweek as it is.
Billionaire on the board and 200k less a season yet a half empty stadium and a team of journeymen that get a league or Scottish cup once in a generation. Sounds delightful
With regards to other stuff, offensive chanting (IRA, UDA/UVF, Ibrox Disaster, Lizzie's in a box, Lisbon Lions, Famine Song etc etc) pyro, missiles and just general a
hole fans, of course every club has that problem, you'll never hear me suggest otherwise. As above i'm home and away, I know exactly the complete and utter ****wits we can attract, particularly for games at Ibrox and Tynie. I guess the difference is, one vape being launched is the result of 1 individual and would be harsh to tarnish the whole support like that. While No Pope of Rome or to die a fenian bd being belted out by an away end, the away fans were fair game, that was a majority singing that, not just a few dafties. NaePasaran said:
There's no tit-for-tat when it comes to religious intolerance. I barely miss a Hibs game and can't recall any anti-protestant chanting, ever. It would be absolutely ridiculous seeing as most of our support are probably atheist with a scattering of protestants and catholic. Rangers however, there has been no shortage of anti-Catholic singing, and it seems to have ramped up at Easter Road since the slashing of tickets at Aberdeen and Celtic away, this seems to be your big "sash bash". Which is why i said Hibs bottled it with the statement, it was a good time to deal with that.
With regards to other stuff, offensive chanting (IRA, UDA/UVF, Ibrox Disaster, Lizzie's in a box, Lisbon Lions, Famine Song etc etc) pyro, missiles and just general ahole fans, of course every club has that problem, you'll never hear me suggest otherwise. As above i'm home and away, I know exactly the complete and utter ****wits we can attract, particularly for games at Ibrox and Tynie. I guess the difference is, one vape being launched is the result of 1 individual and would be harsh to tarnish the whole support like that. While No Pope of Rome or to die a fenian bd being belted out by an away end, the away fans were fair game, that was a majority singing that, not just a few dafties.
That’s fair enough regarding the singing and there is aWith regards to other stuff, offensive chanting (IRA, UDA/UVF, Ibrox Disaster, Lizzie's in a box, Lisbon Lions, Famine Song etc etc) pyro, missiles and just general a
hole fans, of course every club has that problem, you'll never hear me suggest otherwise. As above i'm home and away, I know exactly the complete and utter ****wits we can attract, particularly for games at Ibrox and Tynie. I guess the difference is, one vape being launched is the result of 1 individual and would be harsh to tarnish the whole support like that. While No Pope of Rome or to die a fenian bd being belted out by an away end, the away fans were fair game, that was a majority singing that, not just a few dafties. holes in every support but in recent years we’ve had a fan on the pitch trying to fight tav, the 66 stickers at ibrox and various missiles on the pitch including 3 Incidents in the last 3 games. At what point does it pass the threshold of being 1 individual to being a culture of bad behaviour because hibs aren’t being dealing with it properly. That then leads us back to the statement, who are hibs to appoint themselves arbitrators of fan behaviour when they can’t get a lid on their own support.I recognise it’s a butting heads type argument but reducing allocations is just killing the game at the cost of trying stop something that they have 0 ability to stop.
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