The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 20]
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Stephen Warnock opening up about his past mental health struggles and how he saw himself as a failure:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/1312...
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/1312...
fiatpower said:
The wheels well and truly have come off ever since the fa cup loss.
That game was odd. Putting aside the potential knock-on from the Sparta Prague squad selection, there was precious little energy or urgency and we just faded. Absolutely agree that looks like a pivotal point.The manner in which everything has fizzled out is as baffling as it is infuriating.
Never saw that coming last night , fair play to Everton though , they certainly seemed to want it more .
Makes one wonder why Klopp announced his decision at such a pivotal time of the season , it just seemed a really silly thing to do unless of course the press had found out about his departure.
Maybe it is time to cash in on Salah & Virgil whilst they would still fetch a decent fee,
I saw Gakpo at craven cottage last weekend & he looks a great player & definitely one to keep.
Makes one wonder why Klopp announced his decision at such a pivotal time of the season , it just seemed a really silly thing to do unless of course the press had found out about his departure.
Maybe it is time to cash in on Salah & Virgil whilst they would still fetch a decent fee,
I saw Gakpo at craven cottage last weekend & he looks a great player & definitely one to keep.
type-r said:
Stephen Warnock opening up about his past mental health struggles and how he saw himself as a failure:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/1312...
Sadly not uncommon. I saw on something the other week that the divorce rate for footballers in the first 5 years of retirement for example, is astronomically high (ie well over half). I reckon you have to be pretty strong mentally to adapt to what really is a huge lifestyle change at retirement. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/1312...
Flip Martian said:
Sadly not uncommon. I saw on something the other week that the divorce rate for footballers in the first 5 years of retirement for example, is astronomically high (ie well over half). I reckon you have to be pretty strong mentally to adapt to what really is a huge lifestyle change at retirement.
It's going from discipline of training and playing every week to absolutely nothing for some. The smart ones start forging alternative career early or as they approach retirement. Stephen's case is slightly different - he lost money from a bad financial investment plus after leaving Liverpool, every club he moved on to felt lower and lower down the pyramid. But as he says, he reflects on career now and says he played for England, went to a world cup and played for his boyhood club. By any metric he's been successful. Shame how he was feeling took a toll on his marriage.Flip Martian said:
Sadly not uncommon. I saw on something the other week that the divorce rate for footballers in the first 5 years of retirement for example, is astronomically high (ie well over half). I reckon you have to be pretty strong mentally to adapt to what really is a huge lifestyle change at retirement.
Yes, especially as you've left school at 16 and never been pushed into getting any sort of normal life experience and then you're out with another 50-70 years ahead of you that you need to fill with *something*. You get to 30 but you're 15 years behind your peers when it comes to all the normal things that teach you how the world works and how you can fit in. So, how do we feel about the Klopp era?
I for one have enjoyed the ride and rate Klopp as good as any.
In his 10 year era he
Won the premiere leauge
Came runners up to city twice by a single point.
Won the fa cup.
Won the league cup.
won he champions league.
Reached 2 other champions league finals.
I wouldn't call him a lucky manager having to compete in an era of city.
Id settle for that record again over the next 10 years, but maybe with a tad more luck at times.
I for one have enjoyed the ride and rate Klopp as good as any.
In his 10 year era he
Won the premiere leauge
Came runners up to city twice by a single point.
Won the fa cup.
Won the league cup.
won he champions league.
Reached 2 other champions league finals.
I wouldn't call him a lucky manager having to compete in an era of city.
Id settle for that record again over the next 10 years, but maybe with a tad more luck at times.
Mostly positive. Best period since we won the CL with Rafa (and that didn't last too long to be fair). Some of the best football I have seen any LFC team play, ever (in the PL winning season and the "other" quadruple season when we won the 2 cups). Disappointed our 2 best seasons under him were followed by very average ones - losing almost every CB at the club for one, and having a midfield that had suddenly lost its legs for the other. And disappointed that tactically we never seemed to be able to adjust to cover up for those deficiencies at the time. As an aside, Slot is apparently adept at tactical changes.
From a personal POV, I've enjoyed the more "human" side of the players in the Klopp era too - quite a few appearing to score highly in the "decent human being" category. Klopp comes across as a decent human being too - unless things really aren't going his way. Wouldn't want to get on his bad side.
Overall, about 90+% positive for me. I was shocked he decided to go but now I'm interested to see where the team goes from here under a new manager and coaching set up.
From a personal POV, I've enjoyed the more "human" side of the players in the Klopp era too - quite a few appearing to score highly in the "decent human being" category. Klopp comes across as a decent human being too - unless things really aren't going his way. Wouldn't want to get on his bad side.
Overall, about 90+% positive for me. I was shocked he decided to go but now I'm interested to see where the team goes from here under a new manager and coaching set up.
ApOrbital said:
Dunez is on his way out this summer.
Is that Diaz and Nunez?Assuming Salah will go, I think one of the above will also go. If Barca are genuinely offering 100m for Diaz then I'd tear their arm off.
I can't help thinking that as poor as we have been, we've had all the chances we needed to win every game but the front men have been utterly wasteful.
ferrisbueller said:
ApOrbital said:
Dunez is on his way out this summer.
Is that Diaz and Nunez?Assuming Salah will go, I think one of the above will also go. If Barca are genuinely offering 100m for Diaz then I'd tear their arm off.
I can't help thinking that as poor as we have been, we've had all the chances we needed to win every game but the front men have been utterly wasteful.
I think for any new manager coming in, Jota will be looked at, to see if there's anything in training and physio they can do to minimise his injury time. If not, he may well be on his way in the next 18 months.
In any case, I doubt new bloke will bin half the squad in 1 go this summer, or even most of the attack (or defence).
In any case, I doubt new bloke will bin half the squad in 1 go this summer, or even most of the attack (or defence).
ferrisbueller said:
Is that Diaz and Nunez?
Assuming Salah will go, I think one of the above will also go. If Barca are genuinely offering 100m for Diaz then I'd tear their arm off.
I can't help thinking that as poor as we have been, we've had all the chances we needed to win every game but the front men have been utterly wasteful.
I’d go with our whole strike force needing to be replaced. We Should cash in on Salah now and I feel that neither Nunez or Gakpo are good enough. Assuming Salah will go, I think one of the above will also go. If Barca are genuinely offering 100m for Diaz then I'd tear their arm off.
I can't help thinking that as poor as we have been, we've had all the chances we needed to win every game but the front men have been utterly wasteful.
I think we have seen the best in Salah too, I wouldn’t be too surprised to see him off at the end of the season. It’s been a hell of a ride, we were the best team in the world 2019/20 and have held City over a number of seasons when no one else could, on a few of those seasons we were literally millimetres and or a bad offside call away from knocking the other Mancs off their f**king perch to quite old whiskey nose.
As for Jürgen Norbert Klopp, what can we say? He leaves us in a much better place than when he found us and he will always have a place in our hearts. He exceeded all expectations and then some. I am not old enough to remember Shankly, but I put Klopp just behind Bob Paisley in the list of our greatest managers. We will miss him and everything he brought to Anfield and LFC. I wouldn’t rule out a return.
As for Jürgen Norbert Klopp, what can we say? He leaves us in a much better place than when he found us and he will always have a place in our hearts. He exceeded all expectations and then some. I am not old enough to remember Shankly, but I put Klopp just behind Bob Paisley in the list of our greatest managers. We will miss him and everything he brought to Anfield and LFC. I wouldn’t rule out a return.
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