Congratulations to Luton going to Wembley
Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Oh, is that why. And I suppose it was just an accident that they bought a club in the PL, as opposed to the Scottish league. And Man City weren't even a top 4 club when the Arabs bought them. Perhaps they tried to buy Kilmarnock, or Dundee Utd first, but couldn't get the deal done.
Clearly they bought Man C because they have a half decent stadium 
Well "they", the "best clubs" used to go there when Luton finished very high up in the top flight league (3rd or 4th?, I know google would answer it). I am not a Luton fan (in fact watched live as Luton lifted their only Wembley trophy against the team I support) but would love to see them promoted.
Twig I think you are being a little agelast in your attitude. FFS I can remember Chelsea not being a top flight team and in your definition "unworthy", smile, laugh and enjoy that a club that has had success before can do some good without having a billionaire owner or two.
Twig I think you are being a little agelast in your attitude. FFS I can remember Chelsea not being a top flight team and in your definition "unworthy", smile, laugh and enjoy that a club that has had success before can do some good without having a billionaire owner or two.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
GT03ROB said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yes. The huge amounts of TV money that flows into the PL has paid for stadium upgrades, new stadiums, and some of the world's best players coming to England to play. Glasgow Rangers are arguably a bigger club that City, so why aren't they signing Haaland, Silva et al and thrashing Real Madrid 4-0?
Because they play in a tin pot non-competitive league. which nobody but Celtic or Rangers have won for 40 years! The world isn't interested because it's a 2 horse race every year. The typical gap from winners to 3rd IE the rest other than celtic or rangers is 30-40 points. The Englissh Premier League retains a semblence of competitiveness, Albeit ManC need to some serious competition for the title.
Celtic & Rangers joining the English league system? Would be interesting, Hypothetically if they started in the Championship I'm by no means certain they would both get promoted 1st time round.
Anyhow back with the play-offs....cracking performance from Sheff Weds last night turning round a 4 goal first leg deficit.
summit7 said:
Well "they", the "best clubs" used to go there when Luton finished very high up in the top flight league (3rd or 4th?, I know google would answer it). I am not a Luton fan (in fact watched live as Luton lifted their only Wembley trophy against the team I support) but would love to see them promoted.
Twig I think you are being a little agelast in your attitude. FFS I can remember Chelsea not being a top flight team and in your definition "unworthy", smile, laugh and enjoy that a club that has had success before can do some good without having a billionaire owner or two.
Twig I think you are being a little agelast in your attitude. FFS I can remember Chelsea not being a top flight team and in your definition "unworthy", smile, laugh and enjoy that a club that has had success before can do some good without having a billionaire owner or two.
And that's my point. There's no way the old Stamford Bridge would have carried on being allowed to accept fans in any league. But the success of the PL tempted Roman Abromovich and here we are. It's important that the PL continues to be the best league. If more teams with substandard facilities join it, that will be under threat. Assuming people enjoy having brilliant stadiums and world class players to watch.
V8covin said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Oh, is that why. And I suppose it was just an accident that they bought a club in the PL, as opposed to the Scottish league. And Man City weren't even a top 4 club when the Arabs bought them. Perhaps they tried to buy Kilmarnock, or Dundee Utd first, but couldn't get the deal done.
Clearly they bought Man C because they have a half decent stadium If you want the PL to have Luton, Bournemouth, Swindon, Barnsley, and so on in it, whilst Leeds, Sunderland, Middlesborough, the Sheffield clubs, languish in lower divisions, then fair enough. I don't. I don't think it helps the PL sell itself across the world.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
V8covin said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Oh, is that why. And I suppose it was just an accident that they bought a club in the PL, as opposed to the Scottish league. And Man City weren't even a top 4 club when the Arabs bought them. Perhaps they tried to buy Kilmarnock, or Dundee Utd first, but couldn't get the deal done.
Clearly they bought Man C because they have a half decent stadium If you want the PL to have Luton, Bournemouth, Swindon, Barnsley, and so on in it, whilst Leeds, Sunderland, Middlesborough, the Sheffield clubs, languish in lower divisions, then fair enough. I don't. I don't think it helps the PL sell itself across the world.
I'll be delighted to see Luton go up (not a Luton fan myself), and hopefully it'll help them crack on with the new stadium project. Clubs should be where they are because of results on the pitch, not because some tender backsides require heated and padded corporate seating.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If you want the PL to have Luton, Bournemouth, Swindon, Barnsley, and so on in it, whilst Leeds, Sunderland, Middlesborough, the Sheffield clubs, languish in lower divisions, then fair enough. I don't. I don't think it helps the PL sell itself across the world.
I would want the premier league to contain the teams that are the strongest on the pitch, not those having some long forgotten history. Anything else is Euro super League territory.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well it may well have been a factor. Probably a bigger factor was it's a big club with a decent fanbase and in the PL. A bit like Sunderland or Middlesborough. Not like Luton.
If you want the PL to have Luton, Bournemouth, Swindon, Barnsley, and so on in it, whilst Leeds, Sunderland, Middlesborough, the Sheffield clubs, languish in lower divisions, then fair enough. I don't. I don't think it helps the PL sell itself across the world.
If that's your attitude then I don't think football is for you, you're a consumer.If you want the PL to have Luton, Bournemouth, Swindon, Barnsley, and so on in it, whilst Leeds, Sunderland, Middlesborough, the Sheffield clubs, languish in lower divisions, then fair enough. I don't. I don't think it helps the PL sell itself across the world.
Football is so much more than that, I've been to a load of the new grounds that all look the same, shoved to the outskirts of towns that are stale and boring. The product is pitched to the armchair fan, if you want to watch all the games on TV it will cost you a fair amount (sky, Amazon, BT).
Honestly, I'll be so happy if we (Luton) go up, we would struggle massively, get a season of snarky comments and likely go straight back down but the revenue and parachute payments covers most of the build cost if the new ground and academy facilities, that enables us to push on, be sustainable and do more for the town and it's community.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well it may well have been a factor. Probably a bigger factor was it's a big club with a decent fanbase and in the PL. A bit like Sunderland or Middlesborough. Not like Luton.
If you want the PL to have Luton, Bournemouth, Swindon, Barnsley, and so on in it, whilst Leeds, Sunderland, Middlesborough, the Sheffield clubs, languish in lower divisions, then fair enough. I don't. I don't think it helps the PL sell itself across the world.
I couldn't give a toss about selling the Premier league across the world.If you want the PL to have Luton, Bournemouth, Swindon, Barnsley, and so on in it, whilst Leeds, Sunderland, Middlesborough, the Sheffield clubs, languish in lower divisions, then fair enough. I don't. I don't think it helps the PL sell itself across the world.
Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
I hate all these rich foreign owners, they've only interested it what they get out of it.
I remember when Bradford were in the Premier League and they gave us some of the most exciting games.....unlike the boring crap we currently get from the likes of Chelsea and Spurs.....and watching Man C walk over 90% of teams isn't much fun for neutrals either.
The most exciting games at the moment are at the bottom of the league yet I'd bet most foreign tv watchers are only interested in a handful of clubs.Gloryhunting at it's worse.
There's so much money in the Premier League and yet look at some of the ticket prices, especially at London clubs,pricing the traditional fan out of going.
I would love Luton to go up and take a few high profile scalps at their little ground
V8covin said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well it may well have been a factor. Probably a bigger factor was it's a big club with a decent fanbase and in the PL. A bit like Sunderland or Middlesborough. Not like Luton.
If you want the PL to have Luton, Bournemouth, Swindon, Barnsley, and so on in it, whilst Leeds, Sunderland, Middlesborough, the Sheffield clubs, languish in lower divisions, then fair enough. I don't. I don't think it helps the PL sell itself across the world.
I couldn't give a toss about selling the Premier league across the world.If you want the PL to have Luton, Bournemouth, Swindon, Barnsley, and so on in it, whilst Leeds, Sunderland, Middlesborough, the Sheffield clubs, languish in lower divisions, then fair enough. I don't. I don't think it helps the PL sell itself across the world.
Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
I hate all these rich foreign owners, they've only interested it what they get out of it.
I remember when Bradford were in the Premier League and they gave us some of the most exciting games.....unlike the boring crap we currently get from the likes of Chelsea and Spurs.....and watching Man C walk over 90% of teams isn't much fun for neutrals either.
The most exciting games at the moment are at the bottom of the league yet I'd bet most foreign tv watchers are only interested in a handful of clubs.Gloryhunting at it's worse.
There's so much money in the Premier League and yet look at some of the ticket prices, especially at London clubs,pricing the traditional fan out of going.
I would love Luton to go up and take a few high profile scalps at their little ground
V8covin said:
I couldn't give a toss about selling the Premier league across the world.
Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
He might cancel his subscription if half the games are Bournemouth v Luton or the equivalent. If Everton and Leeds go down, their fanbase across the world will have less interest in the PL. I doubt the worldwide fanbase of Luton or Coventry is going to replace those. Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
Bannock said:
Are you saying that you'd be happy for your club to be denied a chance at the big time, were its stadium to be considered less than luxurious? .
If the stadium and facilities didn't meet basic standards required to host PL football, then yes. If Man U go to Luton next season, take loads of ticketless fans because the crappy allocation doesn't even come close to satisfying season ticket holders' demand, there's a crush at the away gate between Mrs Miggins and Mr Smith's front garden, and supporters lose their lives, you'll no doubt be one of the people screaming "why the hell are we playing PL games in a dump like that". Imagine seeing the tour dates for some major recording artist or band, and in amongst Wembley, Maddison Sq Gdns, the Nou Camp, the O2, was Stickleborough Village Hall.
Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 19th May 17:02
TwigtheWonderkid said:
He might cancel his subscription if half the games are Bournemouth v Luton or the equivalent. If Everton and Leeds go down, their fanbase across the world will have less interest in the PL. I doubt the worldwide fanbase of Luton or Coventry is going to replace those.
I have no idea of the viewing figures but I bet for the vast majority they only watch games involving Liverpool,Man U,Arsenal,Chelsea and more recently Man C.TwigtheWonderkid said:
V8covin said:
I couldn't give a toss about selling the Premier league across the world.
Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
He might cancel his subscription if half the games are Bournemouth v Luton or the equivalent. If Everton and Leeds go down, their fanbase across the world will have less interest in the PL. I doubt the worldwide fanbase of Luton or Coventry is going to replace those. Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
V8covin said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
He might cancel his subscription if half the games are Bournemouth v Luton or the equivalent. If Everton and Leeds go down, their fanbase across the world will have less interest in the PL. I doubt the worldwide fanbase of Luton or Coventry is going to replace those.
I have no idea of the viewing figures but I bet for the vast majority they only watch games involving Liverpool,Man U,Arsenal,Chelsea and more recently Man C.GT03ROB said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
V8covin said:
I couldn't give a toss about selling the Premier league across the world.
Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
He might cancel his subscription if half the games are Bournemouth v Luton or the equivalent. If Everton and Leeds go down, their fanbase across the world will have less interest in the PL. I doubt the worldwide fanbase of Luton or Coventry is going to replace those. Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yet if those teams go down and are replaced by Luton or Coventry, that's a good thing, according to you. Leeds could well go down, and Sunderland replacing them would have been much better for the league than bloody Luton. Their ground was pretty poor even when they were non league.
I never said that but if those teams got relegated it would be because they were s
t and deserved to be relegated and replaced by whoever was at the top of the championship.That's how fair competition works.
It was a great day for English football when Man U got relegated in the 70's
V8covin said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yet if those teams go down and are replaced by Luton or Coventry, that's a good thing, according to you. Leeds could well go down, and Sunderland replacing them would have been much better for the league than bloody Luton. Their ground was pretty poor even when they were non league.
I never said that but if those teams got relegated it would be because they were st and deserved to be relegated and replaced by whoever was at the top of the championship.That's how fair competition works.
It was a great day for English football when Man U got relegated in the 70's
TwigtheWonderkid said:
GT03ROB said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
V8covin said:
I couldn't give a toss about selling the Premier league across the world.
Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
He might cancel his subscription if half the games are Bournemouth v Luton or the equivalent. If Everton and Leeds go down, their fanbase across the world will have less interest in the PL. I doubt the worldwide fanbase of Luton or Coventry is going to replace those. Do you think some armchair supporter in Asia sitting there in his fake replica Liverpool shirt watching them play Luton at Kenilworth is even remotely bothered by the state of the ground ? Do you think he'll cancel his subscription because the ground is a dump ? He couldn't care less.
I get my live footie from Star sports out of India. Weekends we get 2 games from the 3pm games plus the rest of the live games you get in the UK. The 3pm games always involve one of the 1st 5 I listed or City irrespective of their league position or opposition.
I can’t remember the last time talking to someone overseas they had an interest in anyone outside the 1st 5.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I bloody loathe Man U, but it would be a disaster for the PL if they went down now.
It really wouldn't and it would be great for attendances and viewing figures for televised games in the championship.But according to you the Premier League is the be all and end all whereas it's the fact we have such a strong and competitive pyramid of 5 divisions that makes English football the best in the world .
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