The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)
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Challo said:
So in that case sack all of them. There is a huge difference between being a manager and being a coach. You can be great at one and poor at another
Just because he has a poor record as a manager doesn't mean he is a bad coach.
If he's a good coach, where are our results on the pitch? Are you suggesting ETH tactics are negating McLaren's excellent coaching, or that somehow the two are incompatible? Just because he has a poor record as a manager doesn't mean he is a bad coach.
There are no results on the pitch to suggest Utd has either a good 1st team coaching setup or a good manager (or assistant).
So yes, sack the top two by all means. Do we have to repeat the definition of insanity? Which top players would want to come to a club of serial low achievers led by a pair of donkeys?
MCBrowncoat said:
Challo said:
2HFL said:
I agree with others what’s most strange about ETH is his complete reluctance to do anything differently, that’s just madness when we can see it doesn’t work so why can’t he?
Surely it would be worth trying a different formation or style and adapting this to the players we have and their abilities? Too many round pegs and square holes.
It doesn’t help that he can’t communicate very clearly, I mean I always find his interviews hard work to understand.
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Eriksen and Caseinro where the the holder last season, but case form has dropped off a cliff and Eriksen can't play more than an hour. Surely it would be worth trying a different formation or style and adapting this to the players we have and their abilities? Too many round pegs and square holes.
It doesn’t help that he can’t communicate very clearly, I mean I always find his interviews hard work to understand.
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What are your options? Play McSauce? Mainoo is the bright spark but your asking an 18yr old to be the best midfielder you have. This season has been lots of square pegs round holes.
In terms of communication give the guy a break. English is his second language, has a very thick Dutch accent so of course it's going to be difficult to communicate clearly.
I suspect that the decision on whether he stays or goes was made before the most recent demise in form and that whether or not we win the FA cup (highly unlikely) won't have any bearing on the forthcoming long term vision for the club, and if a replacement has been selected then they already know.
He's not doing himself any favours at all by stubbornly refusing to change tactics to accommodate the injuries in defence and making us more compact and harder to get through, the sign of a poor coach.
He's not doing himself any favours at all by stubbornly refusing to change tactics to accommodate the injuries in defence and making us more compact and harder to get through, the sign of a poor coach.
Challo said:
Yay another manager. Another load of players bought in, another squad bloated, mish mash of styles and none we can get rid of due to contracts.
It will be interesting to see what happens because Ashworth, Wilcox, Berrada cannot do any official work for the club until after the notice period but will no doubt be having conversations.
It looks like if FFP changes we have more wiggle room to make signings but does Ashworth, Berrada and Wilcox need to be those people in to make the decisions? And who from our current squad should be sold to make way.
Ineos always say walk before run and knowing the mistakes they made at Nice with managers and squad I suspect they might take their time and give ETH one more season
This.It will be interesting to see what happens because Ashworth, Wilcox, Berrada cannot do any official work for the club until after the notice period but will no doubt be having conversations.
It looks like if FFP changes we have more wiggle room to make signings but does Ashworth, Berrada and Wilcox need to be those people in to make the decisions? And who from our current squad should be sold to make way.
Ineos always say walk before run and knowing the mistakes they made at Nice with managers and squad I suspect they might take their time and give ETH one more season
I honestly believe you could bring in Guardiola tomorrow, and we would still not qualify for the Champions League, so whilst I agree with a lot of the posts and comments on here about ETH, sacking him right now won't change the outcome of this season.
We've all been crying out for change from the top down, and that is what's happening, they just can't start their work yet. Once they can, we will see change in playing / coaching / managerial staff. But until then, I think we just have to accept there won't be any knee jerk reactions / sackings and be patient.
We will rise again
Challo said:
Eriksen and Caseinro where the the holder last season, but case form has dropped off a cliff and Eriksen can't play more than an hour.
What are your options? Play McSauce? Mainoo is the bright spark but your asking an 18yr old to be the best midfielder you have. This season has been lots of square pegs round holes.
How about play the £60mn midfielder that the manager insisted was his first pick for midfield and the perfect fit for his system? Oh we can’t do that, his skill set is completely incompatible with what we need, and the manager has given up on that idea. What are your options? Play McSauce? Mainoo is the bright spark but your asking an 18yr old to be the best midfielder you have. This season has been lots of square pegs round holes.
How about play the player the manager had coached before, insisted on signing and spunked a £10mn loan fee on? Can’t do that, turns out he’s a complete donkey and Ten Hag has given up on him. He can’t even get a start when Casemiro is as bad as he is.
Ironically the ideal midfielder for this dogs
t brand of “football” we are playing is probably Fred due to his ability to cover ground quickly. But we let him go, for less than the loan fee for the managers mate Amrabat. But obviously none of the above is on the manager at all according to some.
epom said:
Good job ye got the handiest (most disgraceful saddest inditement on the game) penalty of all time yesterday or the coach/manager would be long gone.
Whilst it wasn’t a penalty I think when it comes to bad decisions this season we still have quite a few to go in our favour to balance things out .ETH has had 2 seasons and spent a lot of money choosing his own players and coaching the ones he inherited. The team performance is significantly worse in year 2 than year 1 and there are no signs of it improving.
In no way would you describe it as a knee jerk sacking. This isn't 1986, clubs aren't managed in the way they were back then and the competition is fierce.
The argument for delaying his removal is one to delay any improvement for fear of the club being unable to recruit someone better. If your outlook is that way out, we may as well bring OGS back, as we likely shouldn't have fired him either.
Does anybody seriously thing ETH could out-manage a Klopp or Guardiola or even Arteta? They're the standards. We can no longer rely on having more money to spend or the draw of the big club. These clubs have better recent track records, better facilities and better managers than Man Utd. The one thing we can fix quickly is the last one.
In no way would you describe it as a knee jerk sacking. This isn't 1986, clubs aren't managed in the way they were back then and the competition is fierce.
The argument for delaying his removal is one to delay any improvement for fear of the club being unable to recruit someone better. If your outlook is that way out, we may as well bring OGS back, as we likely shouldn't have fired him either.
Does anybody seriously thing ETH could out-manage a Klopp or Guardiola or even Arteta? They're the standards. We can no longer rely on having more money to spend or the draw of the big club. These clubs have better recent track records, better facilities and better managers than Man Utd. The one thing we can fix quickly is the last one.
simon800 said:
Challo said:
Eriksen and Caseinro where the the holder last season, but case form has dropped off a cliff and Eriksen can't play more than an hour.
What are your options? Play McSauce? Mainoo is the bright spark but your asking an 18yr old to be the best midfielder you have. This season has been lots of square pegs round holes.
How about play the £60mn midfielder that the manager insisted was his first pick for midfield and the perfect fit for his system? Oh we can’t do that, his skill set is completely incompatible with what we need, and the manager has given up on that idea. What are your options? Play McSauce? Mainoo is the bright spark but your asking an 18yr old to be the best midfielder you have. This season has been lots of square pegs round holes.
How about play the player the manager had coached before, insisted on signing and spunked a £10mn loan fee on? Can’t do that, turns out he’s a complete donkey and Ten Hag has given up on him. He can’t even get a start when Casemiro is as bad as he is.
Ironically the ideal midfielder for this dogs
t brand of “football” we are playing is probably Fred due to his ability to cover ground quickly. But we let him go, for less than the loan fee for the managers mate Amrabat. But obviously none of the above is on the manager at all according to some.
In hindsight Fred would have worked in this team, but it was decided to let him go. I suspect all us fans agreed it was best for him to leave.
Forester1965 said:
Challo said:
So in that case sack all of them. There is a huge difference between being a manager and being a coach. You can be great at one and poor at another
Just because he has a poor record as a manager doesn't mean he is a bad coach.
If he's a good coach, where are our results on the pitch? Are you suggesting ETH tactics are negating McLaren's excellent coaching, or that somehow the two are incompatible? Just because he has a poor record as a manager doesn't mean he is a bad coach.
There are no results on the pitch to suggest Utd has either a good 1st team coaching setup or a good manager (or assistant).
So yes, sack the top two by all means. Do we have to repeat the definition of insanity? Which top players would want to come to a club of serial low achievers led by a pair of donkeys?
I’m sure players are really looking whether to come to Utd by seeing what the CV looks like for one of the coaching staff.
Challo said:
My point was it seems odd to dig out McLaren, when the coaching staff are a team.
I’m sure players are really looking whether to come to Utd by seeing what the CV looks like for one of the coaching staff.
You seem very keen to defend the status quo, which is odd considering how poorly the team is being run (in addition to the well known structural problems above). I’m sure players are really looking whether to come to Utd by seeing what the CV looks like for one of the coaching staff.
Challo said:
Casemiro is the only DM we have at the club, and he is only playing now because of his aerial abilities. Mount and Mainoo would get bullied in midfield. Amrabat I presume was loaned in because of his defence ability but I agree he has been a flop and struggled with the prem.
In hindsight Fred would have worked in this team, but it was decided to let him go. I suspect all us fans agreed it was best for him to leave.
I agree with all the above mate. In hindsight Fred would have worked in this team, but it was decided to let him go. I suspect all us fans agreed it was best for him to leave.
Difference being I put it down to the manager. He inherited Mainoo, McT, Fred, Bruno and has added 4 of his own signings that he chose at great expense and we are sat here saying he has a lack of midfield options, which is pretty wild. We probably need to buy 2-3 new ones already yet we’ve only just bought the last batch.
Challo said:
Forester1965 said:
Challo said:
So in that case sack all of them. There is a huge difference between being a manager and being a coach. You can be great at one and poor at another
Just because he has a poor record as a manager doesn't mean he is a bad coach.
If he's a good coach, where are our results on the pitch? Are you suggesting ETH tactics are negating McLaren's excellent coaching, or that somehow the two are incompatible? Just because he has a poor record as a manager doesn't mean he is a bad coach.
There are no results on the pitch to suggest Utd has either a good 1st team coaching setup or a good manager (or assistant).
So yes, sack the top two by all means. Do we have to repeat the definition of insanity? Which top players would want to come to a club of serial low achievers led by a pair of donkeys?
I’m sure players are really looking whether to come to Utd by seeing what the CV looks like for one of the coaching staff.
t if this is how we perform in the pitch.I can’t think of many occasions yesterday where we strung together more than 5 consecutive passes. The space left in midfield and just how easy we are to play against has been evident for months, yet nothing has changed.
It’s inexcusable and I hold the staff and players responsible for that.
aye, we fecked them (or more realistically they fecked it against us) twice in a few weeks and it looks like its gotten to them. Which is nice.
Seems Garnacho and Amad have been a bit silly with some tweets / X's (but not the X trouble in the Antony way, thankfully). That's not a good look, suspect things will be a bit lumpier now, if that's possible. Ashworth and Berrada probably sitting in their garden and having a damn good think right now about what to do.
Seems Garnacho and Amad have been a bit silly with some tweets / X's (but not the X trouble in the Antony way, thankfully). That's not a good look, suspect things will be a bit lumpier now, if that's possible. Ashworth and Berrada probably sitting in their garden and having a damn good think right now about what to do.
bstb3 said:
aye, we fecked them (or more realistically they fecked it against us) twice in a few weeks and it looks like its gotten to them. Which is nice.
Seems Garnacho and Amad have been a bit silly with some tweets / X's (but not the X trouble in the Antony way, thankfully). That's not a good look, suspect things will be a bit lumpier now, if that's possible. Ashworth and Berrada probably sitting in their garden and having a damn good think right now about what to do.
It seems pretty apparent some of the team isn’t playing for him and don’t respect him.Seems Garnacho and Amad have been a bit silly with some tweets / X's (but not the X trouble in the Antony way, thankfully). That's not a good look, suspect things will be a bit lumpier now, if that's possible. Ashworth and Berrada probably sitting in their garden and having a damn good think right now about what to do.
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