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mercfunder
2,600 posts
42 months
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Wombat3 said: And maybe so on the irony front - but United are the local succesful businessman who earned his money. He invests it but he's still making a profit and he does not have a bottomless pit of cash  : This is the local businessman who makes cheap s  t in sweatshops with kids in the Far east an d then peddles it at ridiculous prices in western markets?
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Wombat3
5,186 posts
75 months
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mercfunder said: Wombat3 said: And maybe so on the irony front - but United are the local succesful businessman who earned his money. He invests it but he's still making a profit and he does not have a bottomless pit of cash : This is the local businessman who makes cheap s t in sweatshops with kids in the Far east an d then peddles it at ridiculous prices in western markets? Nah, Its the one who runs a proper football club ! 
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
17 months
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Well, if there's one positive to come out of this season, it's City now becoming everything they've spent the last 20 years hating about United.
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Wombat3
5,186 posts
75 months
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HeatonNorris said: Well, if there's one positive to come out of this season, it's City now becoming everything they've spent the last 20 years hating about United. Bang, right there - someone spotted the biggest irony of all. See all those ABU's? ABCs by next season or the season after.
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tamore
3,887 posts
153 months
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Wombat, what has net spend got to do with you inflating transfer fees? Indeed, you're actually proving my point. Buying multiple players for 30m and then demanding 80m for one particular player ring any bells? In england, nobody could get anywhere near what manyoo were trading players for until chelsea.
How the money came about is irrelevant.
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jammy_basturd
8,168 posts
81 months
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Wombat3 said: See all those ABU's? ABCs by next season or the season after. The good thing about that acronym is that it bundles Chelsea and City together. Just like their fans.
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stuartmmcfc
1,113 posts
61 months
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you don't have to know someone to see they're jealous. you can see it from what they write, although thats the danger of the written word- it suffers from not being heard, just read. There's a time and a place to say things- even if it is a valid point. Coming here so soon after our "Christmas Day" giving us all your wisdom comes across badly. you wouldn't go to a funeral of a smoker who'd died of lung cancer and say he'd deserved it because of his 60 a day habit. Maybe it'd be better received, amongst friends, after the dust had settled. Let us enjoy our moment in the Sun- as I've said- you can have a good laugh if it all goes tits up, we're always ready for it! 
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mercfunder
2,600 posts
42 months
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Wombat3 said: Nah, Its the one who runs a proper football club ! If being anally raped by the banks and your absentee landlords every year constitute being a proper football club
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Booey
6,521 posts
49 months
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Wombat3 said: whyioughtta  What a horrible person. I saw his post match interview on the pitch, giving it the old "I knew I made the right choice etc etc". He has a very punchable face and an unlikable demeanour. 
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stuartmmcfc
1,113 posts
61 months
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I'd have said the same if I'd had that level of abuse from my old "mates" tbh.
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Wombat3
5,186 posts
75 months
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tamore said: Wombat, what has net spend got to do with you inflating transfer fees? Indeed, you're actually proving my point. Buying multiple players for 30m and then demanding 80m for one particular player ring any bells? In england, nobody could get anywhere near what manyoo were trading players for until chelsea.
How the money came about is irrelevant. You missed the part about the number of players and the timeframe in which they were bought. That's the key to the answer to that one. Like all markets the player market isn't going to be changed significantly by the odd big deal here & there spread over several years, but when you get a large number of big deals all in one place in a short space of time it distorts the whole thing - possibly permanently. In this case there is also the wages issue & the expectations that this sets across the market. As to what Utd paid, they earned it, and continue to earn it, they can spend it how they like no? But its not and never has been a bottomless pit of cash. Besides, as has widely been reported, Utd's net spend over the last 5 years is no more than 8th in the table - about 5th or 6th over 8/9 years. The Ronaldo deal was mental but I bet you most Man U fans (and indeed SAF) would rather we hadn't sold him - but the fact is he wanted to go & so the club made the most of that. He was (is) an exceptional player and there is not one player at City (or anywhere else in the PL) that Real would come back & pay even half that much for today I think. When you get the odd monster deal like that, it doesn't distort the whole market because its viewed as being excepional & not the norm.
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Black can man
10,977 posts
37 months
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Booey said: Wombat3 said: whyioughtta What a horrible person. I saw his post match interview on the pitch, giving it the old "I knew I made the right choice etc etc". He has a very punchable face and an unlikable demeanour. Seems like he made the right decision , sure he will have great pleasure in showing Robin his nice new shiny medal & his bank balance 
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mercfunder
2,600 posts
42 months
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Wombat3 said: The Ronaldo deal was mental but I bet you most Man U fans (and indeed SAF) would rather we hadn't sold him - but the interest payment on all the debt the Glazers have load on us to line their own pockets had to be made. Corrected that for you. on that basis I would sooner have the Sheikh than the yanks.
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Wombat3
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75 months
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mercfunder said: Wombat3 said: Nah, Its the one who runs a proper football club ! If being anally raped by the banks and your absentee landlords every year constitute being a proper football club Round we go on that one too. Ignore football and football clubs and go and look at general businesses of the same size and turnover as united. They retain some profits to invest to ensure that they turn out good products that people want to buy whilst still spinning off dividends to their owners and probably managing some long term borrowings. Many companies are also bought with some kind of leveraging - United is no different & its all a balance. If there were no transfer funds available, then things would be out of balance. If we never won anything then things would be out of balance, but they are not. Looks like the current owners will (partially) cash out soon, that will mean new shareholders , a wider ownership base & they too will expect to be paid dividends . How much will be at the discretion of the board though & they will act to maintain the balance. Make no mistake, its exactly the model that the owners of practically every other club is trying to get to (with the possible exception of Citeh & the Chavs). Anyone who owns a business expects it to provide a return. All the big sports franchises in the States are run on that basis - which is of course the world where the Glasers at Utd are from; but also Kroenke at Arsenal, FSG at L'Pool, Lerner at Villa and its what Ashly is trying to do at Newcastle. United's position is not therefore the one that is unusual or distorts the league/market - it just happens to be a fair number of years ahead of most of the competition. So sue them for being good at what they do.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,065 posts
19 months
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essexplumber said: How can you say I am bitter or jealous? Do you know me personally? Because all your posts are dripping with bitterness and jealousy. No, I don't know you personally. I've also never been to the South Pole, but I think I can have a pretty good guess that it's probably cold.
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stuartmmcfc
1,113 posts
61 months
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I'm feeling really, really bad about what we've done. Perhaps we should have spent a few more years so that the Status Quo could be enjoyed by the privileged for a bit longer?
Where should we send the trophy back to?
Anyway off to watch Match of the Day again, toss up which is my favourite bit- Sergios goal or the pictures from Sunderland,
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mercfunder
2,600 posts
42 months
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Wombat3 said: All teh big sprts franchises in the states are run on that basis - which is of course the world where the Glasers at Utd are from, Kroenke at Arseanl, FSG at L'Pool, Lerner at Villa and its what Ashly is trying to do at Newcastle. United's position is not therefore the one that is unusual Which is why the American sports market is in total disarray with the majority of franchises teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and disinterested fans. The fan base is not important, all that matters is the exploration of the brand to try and maximize income for various holding companies, so very little actually goes back into the clubs. Clubs are uprooted, regardless of history and shunted round on an ad-hoc basis. If you see this a the future you want, good luck, I would sooner have a benevolent benefactor, for how ever long he stays, investing in the local environment. I don't know what his long term aims are, but I can tell you when he leaves he will leave a far greater legacy than your owners will.
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Wombat3
5,186 posts
75 months
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mercfunder said: If you see this a the future you want, good luck, I would sooner have a benevolent benefactor, for how ever long he stays, investing in the local environment.
I don't know what his long term aims are, but I can tell you when he leaves he will leave a far greater legacy than your owners will. Well its a good comparison. You just better hope that this "legacy" can stand on its own two feet if he does leave - that's yr problem right there. If the Glazers sell or float Utd tomorrow, it will not change the Club's ability to support itself. Continuity at the same level or better therefore pretty much guaranteed. What's been done to achieve that gets no respect from you lot of course, tis just "the Scum"
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pincher
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86 months
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mercfunder
2,600 posts
42 months
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Wombat3 said: mercfunder said: If you see this a the future you want, good luck, I would sooner have a benevolent benefactor, for how ever long he stays, investing in the local environment.
I don't know what his long term aims are, but I can tell you when he leaves he will leave a far greater legacy than your owners will. Well its a good comparison. You just better hope that this "legacy" can stand on its own two feet if he does leave - that's yr problem right there. The legacy I am referring to is the re-generation of the area surrounding the ground, in a particular poor part of Manchester, the investment in Manchester Airport, local community project etc. If the Sheikh gets "bored" and finds a new toy, Manchester will still have benefited from his presence, that is not something any body could ever say about the Glazers. Success on the field will raise the clubs profile globally and the glory hunters will come, however if it generates revenue to support the club, it is only the same as what United have done. Spend 5 minuted round Old Trafford and you can't move for tourists, I have had foreign clients who have insisted on visiting the ground, not on match days or during the season just so they can say they have been there. Personally I would never want to see The Etihad like that, however that is probably the route to us becoming self-funding.
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