The Official ENGLAND Thread - The Team We ALL Support

[TheAngryDog]

Spanna said:

Worst game I've ever seen Milner play. I cannot see him starting against Italy after today.

And that's saying something!

[Chris Stott]

Good things out of tonights game were Ox and Barkley.

Lampard, Wilshire and Milner. Not good.

Others as expected in relation to 1st 11.

[jcremonini]

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

[jcremonini]

Chris Stott said:

Good things out of tonights game were Ox and Barkley.

Lampard, Wilshire and Milner. Not good.

Others as expected in relation to 1st 11.

Have to agree. Lampard was useless tonight. He's a season too far, even at the domestic level.

[GarryDK]

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

Well I'm a Chelsea fan and thought sterling was unlucky. Maybe a yellow never a red. Valencia straight red all day long.

[GALLARDOGUY]

Tribalism. bks.

He got the ball, simple as that.

If the roles were reversed I'd say the same.

It's acting like pussies I can't stand.

[WolfyJones]

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

[vladcjelli]

jcremonini said:

Chris Stott said:

Good things out of tonights game were Ox and Barkley.

Lampard, Wilshire and Milner. Not good.

Others as expected in relation to 1st 11.

Have to agree. Lampard was useless tonight. He's a season too far, even at the domestic level.

Lampards been missing for England for a good couple of years now. I always assumed he'd won some extraordinary VIP package to watch the match from the middle of the pitch.

[jcremonini]

GarryDK said:

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

Well I'm a Chelsea fan and thought sterling was unlucky. Maybe a yellow never a red. Valencia straight red all day long.

I'm a Chelsea fan too and I tend to agree, though it was a yellow. My point is that the guys arguing on here are doing it solely along club lines and not viewing it with any form of neutrality.

[RWD cossie wil]

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

Or perhaps by football fans who actually play football 4 times a week like myself?

As it happens I'm an LFC fan but you can't tell me that wasn't an honest attempt at challenge? As I said before yellow at the worst IMHO regardless of the two players involved.

[Urban Sports]

jcremonini said:

GarryDK said:

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

Well I'm a Chelsea fan and thought sterling was unlucky. Maybe a yellow never a red. Valencia straight red all day long.

I'm a Chelsea fan too and I tend to agree, though it was a yellow. My point is that the guys arguing on here are doing it solely along club lines and not viewing it with any form of neutrality.

I'm a liverpool fan but at the end of the day it wasn't a sending off offence, that has nothing to do with Liverpool or Manchester United fans, it's just a valid point.

[CIE560]

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

Not really. I never said Valencia was right to do what he did. He's a professional and should keep any anger to himself.

[jcremonini]

RWD cossie wil said:

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

Or perhaps by football fans who actually play football 4 times a week like myself?

As it happens I'm an LFC fan but you can't tell me that wasn't an honest attempt at challenge? As I said before yellow at the worst IMHO regardless of the two players involved.

It was a little over the top even if, by the book, it could be deemed he won the ball. It's a friendly after all.

Yellow for Sterling, Red for Valencia in my book.

[Ayahuasca]

jcremonini said:

GarryDK said:

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

Well I'm a Chelsea fan and thought sterling was unlucky. Maybe a yellow never a red. Valencia straight red all day long.

I'm a Chelsea fan too and I tend to agree, though it was a yellow. My point is that the guys arguing on here are doing it solely along club lines and not viewing it with any form of neutrality.

I am a Man Utd fan and Valencia had every right to be annoyed, it's a friendly and there is no need for a (perfectly legal) tackle that could have taken him out of the World Cup. He was just trying to explain that to Sterling in sign language.

[CIE560]

According to Ian Wright Rooney will be brimming with confidence after his tap in off the post a couple of yards from the goal.

It can only be good for England.

[GloverMart]

More negatives than positives tonight, I'm afraid.

Negatives...

Milner was awful. I was hoping he'd be a viable alternative to the car crash that is Glen Johnson but Johnson's now a shoe-in for the Italy game unless Roy goes for the untried Flanagan.

Wilshere's frailty exposed again. His poor decision making in lunging into tackles continues and as Scholes said recently, he doesn't seem to be maturing (or learning) into the player he should be. Lost his rag in the scuffle following the Sterling / Valencia scuffle and is a card waiting to happen in most games.

Rooney - I really wouldn't pick him for the Italy game. Yes, he scored but that in itself isn't worth celebrating at all, it was a tap in from half a yard. Anyone who still considers him world class is way off, IMO.

Sterling - poor challenge to make with ten minutes to go, no need to do it. Roy might have been considering starting him v Italy but tonight's petulance has cost him any hope of that, I reckon.

Foster - good job we've got Hart.

Jones - poor.

Smalling - stealing a living as a Premier League footballer, let alone an England one.

Positives...

Barkley and the Ox looked really good going forward; powerful, penetrating, decisive running, just what we need.

Lambert - has come so far in five years and he really is living the dream. Took his goal brilliantly and grabbed an assist too. Impressed with him and he'll be a great signing for Liverpool next season.

That'll do for now.

[Ayahuasca]

CIE560 said:

According to Ian Wright Rooney will be brimming with confidence after his tap in off the post a couple of yards from the goal.

It can only be good for England.

What? My granny could have scored that goal.

[RWD cossie wil]

jcremonini said:

RWD cossie wil said:

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

Or perhaps by football fans who actually play football 4 times a week like myself?

As it happens I'm an LFC fan but you can't tell me that wasn't an honest attempt at challenge? As I said before yellow at the worst IMHO regardless of the two players involved.

It was a little over the top even if, by the book, it could be deemed he won the ball. It's a friendly after all.

Yellow for Sterling, Red for Valencia in my book.

I think Stirling was very unlucky, watching the challenge in slow mo he gets the ball but just rolls over the top of it which makes it look much worse than it is. If the ball had pinged off into row Z people would have been congratulating on a well timed committed tackle.


Incidentally, did anyone see Smalling overrun the ball in the centre circle then make that wild lunging tackle? I thought he was massively lucky not to pick at least a yellow up for that one!

[TheAngryDog]

jcremonini said:

The Sterling/Valencia argument is simple:

If you support Liverpool then it was Valencia's fault and Sterling won the ball.

If you support ManU then Sterling was reckless and Valencia had every right to be incensed.

Football tribalism at it's very best/worst, aptly demonstrated by the two teams with the most myopic supporters.

I support Hull City, no tribalism from me

[CIE560]

Ayahuasca said:

CIE560 said:

According to Ian Wright Rooney will be brimming with confidence after his tap in off the post a couple of yards from the goal.

It can only be good for England.

What? My granny could have scored that goal.

Exactly.