Scottish Football - Why?
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Smart Mart said:
Then there's the next question, where do you put them when they are admitted?
As a supporter of a League One team who have fought for 115 years to get to this (our highest ever level), I'd feel very aggreived whatever size the club, that someone just got parachuted in ahead of us.
Put them in the Blue Square Premier and the Blue Square South & North would be unhappy. Any lower and it wouldn't really be worth them doing it.
The best idea I've seen is for Scotland to revert to two divisions and have a big promotion/relegation turnover, maybe even bottom six and top six swap over, possibly with playoffs. This would give a fair amount of the Div 2 teams a chance to reach the Div 1 each season.
Why would you give a toss if more clubs come into your league within reason? it's more excitement and better entertainment - if they can't compete they get relagated if they are too good they go up. Very childish 'My ball and your not having a kick' (excuse the pun) frame of mind IMO. Not going to happen anyway so I'll be leaving it at that.As a supporter of a League One team who have fought for 115 years to get to this (our highest ever level), I'd feel very aggreived whatever size the club, that someone just got parachuted in ahead of us.
Put them in the Blue Square Premier and the Blue Square South & North would be unhappy. Any lower and it wouldn't really be worth them doing it.
The best idea I've seen is for Scotland to revert to two divisions and have a big promotion/relegation turnover, maybe even bottom six and top six swap over, possibly with playoffs. This would give a fair amount of the Div 2 teams a chance to reach the Div 1 each season.
Edited by GG89 on Thursday 28th October 22:23
I wonder how the small teams in other countries cope with travelling vast distances. A lot of small clubs are already travelling to Carlisle, Scotland isn't much further. Travel isn't the barrier here.
It won't happen anytime soon, but Rangers and Celtic would easily be top half of the Premiership, especially after a couple of seasons. They both have been to the Uefa Cup final in recent years, last 16 of the Champions League. Rangers are doing alright in the Champions League this year are they not (probably not tomorrow mind you). Saying teams like Birmingham are better than them both is silly, not many of the usual bottom half EPL players would get a game for them, ie Charlie Adam who couldn't get a game for Rangers. They would also attract a massive amount of interest for investment opportunities, a lot more than more Premiership clubs- bar 2 or 3 clubs.
What the OP said is incredibly naive. Only 3 clubs have won the EPL, for a league of that size and the so called "big" teams in it is shocking. The Germans could easily say the same about the Premiership. Also, this is the first time that I can remember anyway, that either club, never mind both, have gotten off to this sort of start.
It. Won't. Happen.
It won't happen anytime soon, but Rangers and Celtic would easily be top half of the Premiership, especially after a couple of seasons. They both have been to the Uefa Cup final in recent years, last 16 of the Champions League. Rangers are doing alright in the Champions League this year are they not (probably not tomorrow mind you). Saying teams like Birmingham are better than them both is silly, not many of the usual bottom half EPL players would get a game for them, ie Charlie Adam who couldn't get a game for Rangers. They would also attract a massive amount of interest for investment opportunities, a lot more than more Premiership clubs- bar 2 or 3 clubs.
What the OP said is incredibly naive. Only 3 clubs have won the EPL, for a league of that size and the so called "big" teams in it is shocking. The Germans could easily say the same about the Premiership. Also, this is the first time that I can remember anyway, that either club, never mind both, have gotten off to this sort of start.
It. Won't. Happen.
Thread ressurection time. Any time I'm at Celtic Park I see buses from Supporters Clubs from Devon and Cornwall, and loads more from distant towns in England and Wales. This isn't just for old firm games - it's the same every week. People travel from all over the UK and Ireland to see Celtic play at home, they would do the same to see them play in England if they were ever in the Premiership. I've been at Celtic pre-season friendlies at QPR and Fulham and the staduims were full. I would imagine that away fans would also have no problem travelling to Glasgow either, it's only London teams which are genuinely far away but flights from the region are plentiful.
In footballing terms Celtic (or Rangers for that matter) would survive easily in the Premiership and within a few seasons would be right up there, in the top 6 or 7 no problem. We won't see it happening though!
In footballing terms Celtic (or Rangers for that matter) would survive easily in the Premiership and within a few seasons would be right up there, in the top 6 or 7 no problem. We won't see it happening though!
I was going to put my 10p worth in the first time.
My lad plays in a semi-professional, level 4 - National League II South - rugby union team. We play teams from all over the south - Taunton, Lydney, Cambs, Leics. And 'south' includes Jersey.
We seem to manage.
I'm not sure of the mileage between Jersey and Leicestershire (wherever that is) but it can't be much less than Southend and Glasgow.
My lad plays in a semi-professional, level 4 - National League II South - rugby union team. We play teams from all over the south - Taunton, Lydney, Cambs, Leics. And 'south' includes Jersey.
We seem to manage.
I'm not sure of the mileage between Jersey and Leicestershire (wherever that is) but it can't be much less than Southend and Glasgow.
Torquey said:
Devilstreak said:
Plus I think they secretly quite like having no competition for the European places,
And they know they wouldnt last 5 mins in the premier league thus getting zero recognition after 2 or 3 seasons.
robsti said:
Torquey said:
Devilstreak said:
Plus I think they secretly quite like having no competition for the European places,
And they know they wouldnt last 5 mins in the premier league thus getting zero recognition after 2 or 3 seasons.
Derby's best player for the last few seasons.
They'd struggle to get out of the championship. There's a huge difference between a knockout competition and a league campaign.
Skylinecrazy said:
Kris Commons is Celtic's star player.
Derby's best player for the last few seasons.
They'd struggle to get out of the championship. There's a huge difference between a knockout competition and a league campaign.
Charlie Adam, Rangers reject.Derby's best player for the last few seasons.
They'd struggle to get out of the championship. There's a huge difference between a knockout competition and a league campaign.
Wanted by Liverpool, Spurs and Man U.
Admittedly the current Rangers squad, due to lack of investment, is fairly threadbare. They would still survive in the Premiership season 1 and with the additional income, be competing for Champions League within 2-3 seasons.
Skylinecrazy said:
robsti said:
Torquey said:
Devilstreak said:
Plus I think they secretly quite like having no competition for the European places,
And they know they wouldnt last 5 mins in the premier league thus getting zero recognition after 2 or 3 seasons.
Derby's best player for the last few seasons.
They'd struggle to get out of the championship. There's a huge difference between a knockout competition and a league campaign.
the only difference in any premiership team is the support
big support, big gates, big slice of Sky TV money, plus they would then be able to attract players who only want EPL - success follows that, with a good manager (same applies to attracting top managers)
and Celtic and Rangers both have an undoubtedly bigger support than all but 2 or 3 of the Premier
Kermit power said:
And they were National 3 last season. Their annual airfare bill alone must rival the salaries paid to the whole of the rest of that division put together. Most certainly not papuers, Jersey RFC! 
I may be wrong but I believe their transport costs are, to some extent, subsidised by the RFU.They are ambitious and looking to Nat League 1. One assumes their travel costs will increase dramatically. When we played them at their place, at the dinner they celebrated receiving a cheque of £10s of thousands from a sponsor. Still, good luck to them. Second at the moment and with a good win last Sat.
I think many here are missing the fact that most EPL players aren't currently interested in going to Rangers or Celtic, the odd one or two granted, but not many.
However if either club were in the EPL, they would be a very attractive option for many players they could pay the same wages (something they can't do now) and of course off the pitch both clubs would be a good target for acquisition.
Hold on the initial point of this thread highlighted the dominance of two teams in Scottish football therefore a move away may be appropriate. But what exactly is different about the Premier League? Its a league dominated by a handful of teams (well actually their owners) with the rest ranging from average to hideously average. Plus teams like Birmingham who 'clobber' the odd 1-0 win here and there in the vain hope of achieving, well I'm not too sure, must be tedious to the extreme for their fans?
I love what we (Blackpool) have done and how we've gone about it but I think the game is a hideous mess dominated by the mentality that unless you can attract a billionaire investor, you've no chance of even daring to compete for the top prizes.
It seems very very vacuous to me and a far cry from what I thought football was supposed to be about
I love what we (Blackpool) have done and how we've gone about it but I think the game is a hideous mess dominated by the mentality that unless you can attract a billionaire investor, you've no chance of even daring to compete for the top prizes.
It seems very very vacuous to me and a far cry from what I thought football was supposed to be about
Edited by GestapoWatch on Wednesday 23 February 00:29
Hugo a Gogo said:
Celtic and Rangers both have an undoubtedly bigger support than all but 2 or 3 of the Premiership
If you include expats and don't include success-based foreign supporters (who aren't really supporters) then I would argue that Celtic and Rangers have far bigger supports than any of them.Well done tonight Glasgow Rangers! Great achievement to make the last 16 with a tiny squad and no money (a situation we all know won't last long). If we do that on sheer balls, what do you think we'd do with access to Premiership type funding? Remember when we DID have good money for a short period? Many of the best of the England National team played at Ibrox, including their captain.
The reality is that within 5 years of being in the premiership there would only ever be 2 winners of it. Where else in the UK....no, in Europe.....are there constant full houses even when tiny teams are visiting?
A Chelsea v Man U Champions League final would be a very big ticket item. A Barca v Real final might be even bigger. But a Rangers v Celtic Euro final could sell 500000 tickets without a doubt, and even a major European city would have trouble accommodating the numbers who would want to be there or thereabouts. Crowds of over 100000 at important Rangers and Celtic games, including against other teams, are in the living memory of many people. Name any premiership team that can say the same.
Edited by groan on Friday 25th February 14:58
groan said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
Celtic and Rangers both have an undoubtedly bigger support than all but 2 or 3 of the Premiership
If you include expats and don't include success-based foreign supporters (who aren't really supporters) then I would argue that Celtic and Rangers have far bigger supports than any of them.[/footnote]Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff