The Official Norwich City Thread

The Official Norwich City Thread

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Du1point8

21,607 posts

192 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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Disco_Dale said:
CVM, you're so funny and original, with your rapier like wit you are really spoiling us.

Oh, and 4-1.
You not coming back to join the discussion in Leeds Leeds Leeds about how you were going to put us in our place as we had not played 'the big teams' yet?

Or how we helped you get the largest home crowd in 18 odd years?

Come on we were dying for the answer, but you disappeared and only came back when Norwich won its next match...


No Cara van Man

29,977 posts

251 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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Du1point8 said:
Come on we were dying for the answer, but you disappeared and only came back when Norwich won its next match...
That's how he works I'm afraid. NOt a peep for months, then get one decent result and he crawls out from under his stone to be the PH Sports forum town crier.

He'll slope away again, soon hopefully.

Disco_Dale

1,893 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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Du1point8 said:
Disco_Dale said:
CVM, you're so funny and original, with your rapier like wit you are really spoiling us.

Oh, and 4-1.
You not coming back to join the discussion in Leeds Leeds Leeds about how you were going to put us in our place as we had not played 'the big teams' yet?

Or how we helped you get the largest home crowd in 18 odd years?

Come on we were dying for the answer, but you disappeared and only came back when Norwich won its next match...
You managed to sell all your tickets, unlike most teams so fair play to you for that. But we fill our ground every week, the reason it was a record attendance is cos we put in a 1000 or so extra seats during the summer.

Funny you should mention attendances though.
In fact last season you averaged just 17 more than us, despite having a stadium that held 14,000 more than ours at the time.
http://www.football-lineups.com/tourn/League_One_2...

This years table shows a similar story...your ground is consistently 1/3rd empty.
http://www.worldfootball.net/zuschauer/eng-champio...

Wheras ours is consistently packed.

And yes, you managed to steal a point in typical dirty Leeds fashion but we'll see how it pans out over the season shall we?

Disco_Dale

1,893 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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No Cara van Man said:
Du1point8 said:
Come on we were dying for the answer, but you disappeared and only came back when Norwich won its next match...
That's how he works I'm afraid. NOt a peep for months, then get one decent result and he crawls out from under his stone to be the PH Sports forum town crier.

He'll slope away again, soon hopefully.
I really wind you up don't I? laugh

That's amusing to me, sorry but there you go. The idea that anyone can get so animated in their frustration and rage at some faceless banter on a messageboard is just beyond my comprehension.

It could be argued that you can dish it out, but you can't take it.



Du1point8

21,607 posts

192 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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Disco_Dale said:
Du1point8 said:
Disco_Dale said:
CVM, you're so funny and original, with your rapier like wit you are really spoiling us.

Oh, and 4-1.
You not coming back to join the discussion in Leeds Leeds Leeds about how you were going to put us in our place as we had not played 'the big teams' yet?

Or how we helped you get the largest home crowd in 18 odd years?

Come on we were dying for the answer, but you disappeared and only came back when Norwich won its next match...
You managed to sell all your tickets, unlike most teams so fair play to you for that. But we fill our ground every week, the reason it was a record attendance is cos we put in a 1000 or so extra seats during the summer.

Funny you should mention attendances though.
In fact last season you averaged just 17 more than us, despite having a stadium that held 14,000 more than ours at the time.
http://www.football-lineups.com/tourn/League_One_2...

This years table shows a similar story...your ground is consistently 1/3rd empty.
http://www.worldfootball.net/zuschauer/eng-champio...

Wheras ours is consistently packed.

And yes, you managed to steal a point in typical dirty Leeds fashion but we'll see how it pans out over the season shall we?
Ours is not always packed that is not the point is it, even with only 2/3rds full we get more people than you do, So what you are saying is your team is only a little team and not ready to build a bigger stadium?

As for we stole a point, think you were watching a different match as we scored first:

http://www.teamtalk.com/match/report/978/6518057

And there was no mention of the foul that placed the Leeds keeper on the floor for the corner which got your goal.

Disco_Dale

1,893 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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Du1point8 said:
Ours is not always packed that is not the point is it, even with only 2/3rds full we get more people than you do
Yeah, 17 more. Over a season - with 14,000 empty seats.

I think the best way to explain it, since you seem to be struggling a bit is that your grounds too big for you, our ground is too small for us.

And plans are in place for expansion providing things progress on the pitch. It's clear we're already a better supported club, will be nice to make that official.

(Leeds has what 3 or 4 times the population of Norwich?)

No Cara van Man

29,977 posts

251 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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Disco_Dale said:
I really wind you up don't I?
No, you bore me to tears with your constant bile on a thread which, lets face it, has nothing to do with you or your club and which you bring nothing positive to. I'm not the only person to point out how tedious you are.

You've got your own now, so I'll post on mine and you can say what you wish on yours.

TEKNOPUG

18,950 posts

205 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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When are you going into administration - it's Premiership or bust, right?

andyjo1982

4,960 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
When are you going into administration - it's Premiership or bust, right?
No its not and not for a long while yet mate...

TEKNOPUG

18,950 posts

205 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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andyjo1982 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
When are you going into administration - it's Premiership or bust, right?
No its not and not for a long while yet mate...
It was Championship or Bust last season - what's changed?

Disco_Dale

1,893 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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No Cara van Man said:
Disco_Dale said:
I really wind you up don't I?
No, you bore me to tears with your constant bile on a thread which, lets face it, has nothing to do with you or your club and which you bring nothing positive to. I'm not the only person to point out how tedious you are.

You've got your own now, so I'll post on mine and you can say what you wish on yours.
Well you seem to have been posting more on this one lately, so I'm sure you won't mind if I reserve the right to pop over and take the p*ss.
Oh no, some people on the internet think I'm tedious, whatever will I do?

Du1point8

21,607 posts

192 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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Disco_Dale said:
Du1point8 said:
Ours is not always packed that is not the point is it, even with only 2/3rds full we get more people than you do
Yeah, 17 more. Over a season - with 14,000 empty seats.

I think the best way to explain it, since you seem to be struggling a bit is that your grounds too big for you, our ground is too small for us.

And plans are in place for expansion providing things progress on the pitch. It's clear we're already a better supported club, will be nice to make that official.

(Leeds has what 3 or 4 times the population of Norwich?)
And your point being?

Leeds has several big clubs they dont just rely on Football to keep them entertained...

Do you have a professional rugby club?
Do you have a professional cricket club?
Do you have anything other than football?

As for your expansion... I see that expensive task went under way:

norwich source said:
In the summer of 2010, work was undertaken to increase the ground's capacity from 26,018 to 27,000. This was achieved by adding a new back row to the Barclay Stand, new front rows to the other three stands, as well as rearranging exit aisles in the Norwich & Peterborough Stand upper tier to make room for new seats
Almost a 1000 seats woohoo

Just so Im not being unfair... Let me see what Leeds have plans for if they every get back into the premiership...

Leeds have got plans to increaase to 50-60k or so, but myself I dont see this happening until we have been up there for a few years when we get back.

andyjo1982

4,960 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
andyjo1982 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
When are you going into administration - it's Premiership or bust, right?
No its not and not for a long while yet mate...
It was Championship or Bust last season - what's changed?
At the moment, we're a championship team with championship revenues and championship players, just the same as Spurs are geared up for CL football now and while they're not quite in the same position as leeds a few years ago, it will be a massive blow for them to miss out on 4th this season. The difference in revenues from sponsorship and tv is around 5 or 6 million, and at our level, with no sugar daddy like some of the big clubs, that is a hell of a gap to fill. If you look at some of the teams who have gone down and not bounced back, you will realise why it was st or bust last season.

Relegation was almost a blessing in disguise. If we'd have just stayed up, we probably wouldn't have had the restructuring that took place in summer of 2009. We now have a decent infrastructure and now a board in place who can use a calculater and budget. We only need to stay up this season, which is looking promising at the moment, anything higher than 20th will be a bonus, anything past FA Cup 3rd round is a bonus. We now have 1 or 2 players who will be wanted by other clubs and 3 or 4 youngsters coming through.

After what we went through with the Peter Grant/Glenn Roeder/Bryan Gunn era, the fans are happy to be patient with Lambert, because hes git the team playing well and playing heart and passion. We have our own squad again now bar 1 or 2 loans, and he has developed players who just used to hoof long balls into confident and half decent players.

TEKNOPUG

18,950 posts

205 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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andyjo1982 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
andyjo1982 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
When are you going into administration - it's Premiership or bust, right?
No its not and not for a long while yet mate...
It was Championship or Bust last season - what's changed?
At the moment, we're a championship team with championship revenues and championship players, just the same as Spurs are geared up for CL football now and while they're not quite in the same position as leeds a few years ago, it will be a massive blow for them to miss out on 4th this season. The difference in revenues from sponsorship and tv is around 5 or 6 million, and at our level, with no sugar daddy like some of the big clubs, that is a hell of a gap to fill. If you look at some of the teams who have gone down and not bounced back, you will realise why it was st or bust last season.

Relegation was almost a blessing in disguise. If we'd have just stayed up, we probably wouldn't have had the restructuring that took place in summer of 2009. We now have a decent infrastructure and now a board in place who can use a calculater and budget. We only need to stay up this season, which is looking promising at the moment, anything higher than 20th will be a bonus, anything past FA Cup 3rd round is a bonus. We now have 1 or 2 players who will be wanted by other clubs and 3 or 4 youngsters coming through.

After what we went through with the Peter Grant/Glenn Roeder/Bryan Gunn era, the fans are happy to be patient with Lambert, because hes git the team playing well and playing heart and passion. We have our own squad again now bar 1 or 2 loans, and he has developed players who just used to hoof long balls into confident and half decent players.
I see that you have a 7 year plan, which involves spending 2 of 3 consecutive seasons in the Premiership. That's a little ambitious, don't you think? A bit like Fulham having a 7 years plan involving spending 2 seasons in the CL. I think that if you miss out on Prem this season, Lambert will be nabbed by another club and possibly a couple of your players too.

andyjo1982

4,960 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
andyjo1982 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
andyjo1982 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
When are you going into administration - it's Premiership or bust, right?
No its not and not for a long while yet mate...
It was Championship or Bust last season - what's changed?
At the moment, we're a championship team with championship revenues and championship players, just the same as Spurs are geared up for CL football now and while they're not quite in the same position as leeds a few years ago, it will be a massive blow for them to miss out on 4th this season. The difference in revenues from sponsorship and tv is around 5 or 6 million, and at our level, with no sugar daddy like some of the big clubs, that is a hell of a gap to fill. If you look at some of the teams who have gone down and not bounced back, you will realise why it was st or bust last season.

Relegation was almost a blessing in disguise. If we'd have just stayed up, we probably wouldn't have had the restructuring that took place in summer of 2009. We now have a decent infrastructure and now a board in place who can use a calculater and budget. We only need to stay up this season, which is looking promising at the moment, anything higher than 20th will be a bonus, anything past FA Cup 3rd round is a bonus. We now have 1 or 2 players who will be wanted by other clubs and 3 or 4 youngsters coming through.

After what we went through with the Peter Grant/Glenn Roeder/Bryan Gunn era, the fans are happy to be patient with Lambert, because hes git the team playing well and playing heart and passion. We have our own squad again now bar 1 or 2 loans, and he has developed players who just used to hoof long balls into confident and half decent players.
I see that you have a 7 year plan, which involves spending 2 of 3 consecutive seasons in the Premiership. That's a little ambitious, don't you think? A bit like Fulham having a 7 years plan involving spending 2 seasons in the CL. I think that if you miss out on Prem this season, Lambert will be nabbed by another club and possibly a couple of your players too.
Are you trying to have a dig at us or have you come in peace? Your first post implied you were thinking we are close to admin unless we get promotion. Mcnally came out a couple of weeks ago saying we have a 7 year plan, which in my eyes is fair enough, no harm in a bit of ambition. Its nothing like Fulhams plan, lets remember, when Fulham went up they spent 30 odd million players in the first season (Steve Marlet done well wink ) We are hoping to go up within 3 seasons and expect to come back down, then go straight back up.

I've said on other threads, i fully expect Lambert to be managing a Premiership club within 2-3 years, whether thats us or not remains to be seen. The guy has and is doing an incredible job here though and i think he'll be around for a fair while yet, if not our chairman will ensure we get a hefty payout. He unstands the progress we've made and if you ever pay any attention to what he says, he always sounds very comitted to this club and whats hes doing, however, Colchester fans may well say the same thing...

TEKNOPUG

18,950 posts

205 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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I don't know if Fulham have a plan, I was just using them as an example. City's finances were in a mess last season and it certainly would have taken them to the brink had they not been promoted. I'm just wondering how secure the club is financially and whether it is able to continue to compete at a decent level in the Championship without the massive cash injection a couple of years in the Prem. It doesn't sound the most convincing of plans if it relies on promotion, which can never be seen as a given. I certainly wouldn't rely on a hefty pay out if Lamber goes; the bigger clubs always find a way of screwing over the smaller clubs.

It will be interesting to see how things progress if you start next season in the Championship and whether Lambert will still be there.

andyjo1982

4,960 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
I don't know if Fulham have a plan, I was just using them as an example. City's finances were in a mess last season and it certainly would have taken them to the brink had they not been promoted. I'm just wondering how secure the club is financially and whether it is able to continue to compete at a decent level in the Championship without the massive cash injection a couple of years in the Prem. It doesn't sound the most convincing of plans if it relies on promotion, which can never be seen as a given. I certainly wouldn't rely on a hefty pay out if Lamber goes; the bigger clubs always find a way of screwing over the smaller clubs.

It will be interesting to see how things progress if you start next season in the Championship and whether Lambert will still be there.
Finances were in a mess when we were relegated in 09, the majority of our previous board hadn't anticipated that outcome. They spent too much on loans at the time. The plan is realistic, but i think they are in a position to change things if its not going to plan. As i said before, they will budgeted for us to finish in 20th, so anything above that is a bonus. We have a loan secured on our debt until around 2022, so whilst we are in 23 mil of debt, it is secured and we are under no pressure to sell to service the debt, hence why we may have a little bit of cash to spend in January.

I'm fairly confident Lambert will still be in charge at the start of next season. We're looking good for at least a top half if not top 10 finish at the least. Play-offs is not at all out of the question, i really dont see Lambert jumping ship to go to a team like, perhaps a Wigan, West Ham, Wolves etc and i cant see a top 7 or 8 team going in for him. But money talks, so we'll see.

At the moment, i am very happy with the progress we've made and this could, could, be an incredible season for us. There are very few clubs in this league on as sound a footing as ours. Take the likes of Hull, Boro, Pompy, Preston, they're all in big financial trouble and relegation for any of them will be almost spell the end for them.

andyjo1982

4,960 posts

210 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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Leon Barnett to sign on a 3 and half year deal in January. woohoo

Well done to Lambert, the board and everyone involved in this deal as it is a fantastic signing for Norwich City.

Disco_Dale

1,893 posts

210 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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Yep.
If we can keep Lansbury on loan till the end of the season too and add a couple more to give a bit more depth (big man to give Holt competition and a right back) then we just might have enough quality to make us a cut above what looks like a pretty average league.


andyjo1982

4,960 posts

210 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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Disco_Dale said:
Yep.
If we can keep Lansbury on loan till the end of the season too and add a couple more to give a bit more depth (big man to give Holt competition and a right back) then we just might have enough quality to make us a cut above what looks like a pretty average league.
Another striker would be handy, we're not desperate for a rb, so i'd hold on that and perhaps loan someone in if we need to later in the season. I think Russell Martin has been excellent this season. Lambert has 3 others hes after apparently. Also rumors are that Wes may be off to WBA as part of the deal which i wouldn't be too disappointed with as long as we kept Lansbury. Wes is far too lightweight for the prem imho...