Roundabouts in the wet

Roundabouts in the wet

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993kimbo

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2,974 posts

185 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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WRX

Went into a wet roundabout at what I considered to be a reasonably conservative speed, front wheels lost all traction followed quickly by the rears, ended up in a 90 degrees spin, pride hurt.

Michelins Sport on the front, Chinese on the rear but with good tread.

I though these cars were meant to hold the road even with Bozos like me driving. Ha.

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

229 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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993kimbo said:
...Chinese on the rear but with good tread.

driverrob

4,688 posts

203 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Poor effort.
I managed to do a complete circuit, with two 180 degree flips in my wife's MR2 before making a graceful exit in my original chosen direction a year ago. Not sure what the other drivers waiting for me to hit something thought about it rolleyes

Mastodon2

13,825 posts

165 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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993kimbo said:
WRX

Went into a wet roundabout at what I considered to be a reasonably conservative speed, front wheels lost all traction followed quickly by the rears, ended up in a 90 degrees spin, pride hurt.

Michelins Sport on the front, Chinese on the rear but with good tread.

I though these cars were meant to hold the road even with Bozos like me driving. Ha.
Aquaplaning overwhelming the fronts, and the st Chinese tears aquaplaning and being st on the rear, not inconceivable that something as steady even as an Impreza could end up twirling around.

GravelBen

15,683 posts

230 months

Saturday 22nd February 2014
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Might have been something spilt on the road if the fronts slid and then the rears as they reached the same place.

993kimbo

Original Poster:

2,974 posts

185 months

Saturday 22nd February 2014
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driverrob said:
Poor effort.
I managed to do a complete circuit, with two 180 degree flips in my wife's MR2 before making a graceful exit in my original chosen direction a year ago. Not sure what the other drivers waiting for me to hit something thought about it rolleyes
Ha. Excellent. I had other drivers waiting to pull out too. I can't tell you what a plonker I felt. First time in 30 years of driving.

180 degrees is admirable.

I think I'll blame it on the diesel on the road and get rid of the rear tyres.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

204 months

Saturday 22nd February 2014
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If your car has Chinese tyres on then it probably hasnt had the geometry looked at recently either.

Ved

3,825 posts

175 months

Saturday 22nd February 2014
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No comment smile

bonesX

902 posts

180 months

Sunday 23rd February 2014
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Michelin Sports are decent in wet - have you uprated the rear arb to dial out factory set understeer?

Ennoch

371 posts

138 months

Sunday 23rd February 2014
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Did you hold the throttle, get off it, or bury it so deeply into the carpet that there's now a pedal shaped dent in the floor?

wack

2,103 posts

206 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Probably diesel on the road

I had a bozo in a BMW about 10ft behind me for a mile in the wet , entered a clear roundabout at a speed I was happy with , went round without a twitch

Looked in the mirror and said bozo was doing a nice 360 spin

RWD BMW 0 , 4WD Impreza 1


eybic

9,212 posts

174 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Within reason, the thing to have done would be to put your foot down, I found this out in my GT-Four not long after owning it.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

204 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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eybic said:
Within reason, the thing to have done would be to put your foot down, I found this out in my GT-Four not long after owning it.
Under steer isn't cured by adding speed.

New POD

3,851 posts

150 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Since fitting 4 Michelins to the Honda, I haven't managed to get any under or oversteer even in the wet.

Apart from last week, where I took a blind bend about "5" mph too fast, noticed a massive pothole, gave a little correction, to miss it, which worked, but put me going over a load of massive lumps of gravel, and the car stepped out 1 foot to the right, heading for the wrong side of the road, and an oncoming car, but quick swank of the wheel back to the left, and it was back in line, but my pants were a bit brown.

Note all this happened at 20 mph below the speed limit. So I'm campaigning for a reduction to 40 and more warning signs (they'll have a sign budget, but not a pothole budget)

markCSC

2,987 posts

215 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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When I first got my Forester it came with Alpha Tornado tyres on it. I had a few "WTF" moments and a half spin before I changed them. No problems since.

In my old 924 I did a nice 360 spin in the wet, scared the crap out of me but I remembered something a driving instructor told me "in a spin, both feet in" In other words when you run out of options to catch it, stamp on the brake and the clutch.

GravelBen

15,683 posts

230 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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mrmr96 said:
Under steer isn't cured by adding speed.
Depending on the particular situation and car dynamics, it can be cured by applying more power. Knowing which situations that applies to is a bit more complex than can be easily explained on the internet though!

eybic

9,212 posts

174 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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I've certainly had understeer in the Celica cured by applying more throttle.

driverrob

4,688 posts

203 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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eybic said:
I've certainly had understeer in the Celica cured by applying more throttle.
I have to admit the reason it went so wrong for me was entirely my own fault. Just for a split second I forgot I wasn't driving my AWD GTO and floored it to exit a wet roundabout with a lot of camber. Give my wife credit; she never made a sound until we were back on track.

havard01

108 posts

175 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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I would lose the ditch Finder Chinese tyres to start with.

GravelBen

15,683 posts

230 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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driverrob said:
Give my wife credit; she never made a sound until we were back on track.
thumbup Sounds like you found a good one then!