Revelations of the Pyramids
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Eric Mc said:
Westy has a prediliction for the more extraordinary explanations for things that have pretty ordinary explanations.
That's why I don't rate this as a thread worthy of a "science" forum.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Where's the extraodinary proof for the Higgs Boson? That's why I don't rate this as a thread worthy of a "science" forum.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
markh1973 said:
Eric Mc said:
Westy has a prediliction for the more extraordinary explanations for things that have pretty ordinary explanations.
That's why I don't rate this as a thread worthy of a "science" forum.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Where's the extraodinary proof for the Higgs Boson? That's why I don't rate this as a thread worthy of a "science" forum.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Failing to prove something is just as important an aspect of science as proving something.
markh1973 said:
Where's the extraodinary proof for the Higgs Boson?
This is where the scientific method comes into play. As things stand with our current model, it suggests that there should be this 'Higgs Boson' particle. So, we are trying to find it. If we do not find it, then the model will change. That is how it works. As it stands, we have made many discovering from the LHC. Hopefully the HB will be among them. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/12010...
Eric Mc said:
markh1973 said:
Eric Mc said:
Westy has a prediliction for the more extraordinary explanations for things that have pretty ordinary explanations.
That's why I don't rate this as a thread worthy of a "science" forum.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Where's the extraodinary proof for the Higgs Boson? That's why I don't rate this as a thread worthy of a "science" forum.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Failing to prove something is just as important an aspect of science as proving something.
AS an aside shouldn't you be busy finalising tax returns - I know I should!
markh1973 said:
I'm not disagreeing that conspiracy theorists will claim all sorts without evidence and then get upset when people ask to see it. I was merely suggesting that at the moment there is a scientific search for a pretty extraordinary element which may or may not be succesful.
AS an aside shouldn't you be busy finalising tax returns - I know I should!
Vastly different scenarios. AS an aside shouldn't you be busy finalising tax returns - I know I should!
Maybe we should also have a pseudo-science / insanity-dressed-as-science forum as well.
Can have stuff like Pyramid conspiracies then and really nuts stuff like the Time Cube: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube
Can have stuff like Pyramid conspiracies then and really nuts stuff like the Time Cube: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube
qube_TA said:
Maybe we should also have a pseudo-science / insanity-dressed-as-science forum as well.
Can have stuff like Pyramid conspiracies then and really nuts stuff like the Time Cube: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube
The website is the scribblings of an utterly deranged nut job. Can have stuff like Pyramid conspiracies then and really nuts stuff like the Time Cube: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube
I've watched the whole thing....
Well, they try and explain things with a scientific 'leaning' but constantly trip themselves up by mentioning 'if you move this square over that triangle it gives you the golden number' and other such vague interpretations of the measurements and scales of the pyramids.
What they end up saying is that we have been warned by a long lost civilisation, one that was wiped out by fire, that we too are to meet such a fate. The pyramids and other ancient monuments are an encoded warning to us to be careful about climate change.
Nearly 2 hours to come up with the same old same old.
Granted, some parts of it were interesting, but they added 'scientist' type comments just for show.
Well, they try and explain things with a scientific 'leaning' but constantly trip themselves up by mentioning 'if you move this square over that triangle it gives you the golden number' and other such vague interpretations of the measurements and scales of the pyramids.
What they end up saying is that we have been warned by a long lost civilisation, one that was wiped out by fire, that we too are to meet such a fate. The pyramids and other ancient monuments are an encoded warning to us to be careful about climate change.
Nearly 2 hours to come up with the same old same old.
Granted, some parts of it were interesting, but they added 'scientist' type comments just for show.
silvagod said:
I've watched the whole thing....
Well at least somebody bothered to watch it...thank you 
silvagod said:
Well, they try and explain things with a scientific 'leaning' but constantly trip themselves up by mentioning 'if you move this square over that triangle it gives you the golden number' and other such vague interpretations of the measurements and scales of the pyramids.
That's not quite true is it 
The documentary explains perfectly what they talking about and an idiot can understand why they are showing each calculation. Were any of those calculations wrong or irrelevant to what they where showing?silvagod said:
What they end up saying is that we have been warned by a long lost civilisation, one that was wiped out by fire, that we too are to meet such a fate. The pyramids and other ancient monuments are an encoded warning to us to be careful about climate change.
That's their conclusion though. We are told they made everything with copper chisels and round hand pounders....I find that conclusion laughable, which I have previously in other threads explained why.silvagod said:
Granted, some parts of it were interesting, but they added 'scientist' type comments just for show.
It's a show made so that anybody, even simpletons like me 
can understand what the point they are making. How would you suggest it was made?
So, simpleton could understand the calculations.... go on, do tell, should be easy to repeat with words.
Re tools. I believe that there was a link showing that tools are up in the air and not as you say. That is they are quite probable and possible. Quite a study if the link to the book that someone provided is correct.
Re tools. I believe that there was a link showing that tools are up in the air and not as you say. That is they are quite probable and possible. Quite a study if the link to the book that someone provided is correct.
I believe last time the copper tools thing came up this was the paper I found;
"Testing ancient Egyptian granite-working methods in Aswan, Upper Egypt", Denys A. Stocks
Unfortunately it requires a journal subscription. Its not chisels/pounders - last time Westy was arguing that cutting granite with copper saws was impossible. This chap cut the exact same granite used in the pyramids with a copper saw and some abrasive powder. He also drills holes using a similar method. I think that's probably all that's required to form the pyramid blocks.
I haven't watched all of that documentary but I repeated one of the calculations in my post above. It was numerology nonsense - multiply enough things together and look at enough constants and 'amazing' coincidences are commonplace. What are the other calcs? Similar or something interesting?
"Testing ancient Egyptian granite-working methods in Aswan, Upper Egypt", Denys A. Stocks
Unfortunately it requires a journal subscription. Its not chisels/pounders - last time Westy was arguing that cutting granite with copper saws was impossible. This chap cut the exact same granite used in the pyramids with a copper saw and some abrasive powder. He also drills holes using a similar method. I think that's probably all that's required to form the pyramid blocks.
I haven't watched all of that documentary but I repeated one of the calculations in my post above. It was numerology nonsense - multiply enough things together and look at enough constants and 'amazing' coincidences are commonplace. What are the other calcs? Similar or something interesting?
I was sure I saw a documentary that showed evidence that copper tools had been used (tools marks etc) and that after each cut the teeth of the saw had to be resharpened in some cases to such an extent that the blade had new teeth for every cut.
I was also sure I was something that said they built a layer then buried it, built another layer then buried in, then the final job was to dig it out again and mirror polish it.
I was also sure I was something that said they built a layer then buried it, built another layer then buried in, then the final job was to dig it out again and mirror polish it.
Odie said:
I was sure I saw a documentary that showed evidence that copper tools had been used (tools marks etc) and that after each cut the teeth of the saw had to be resharpened in some cases to such an extent that the blade had new teeth for every cut.
They found, in that paper, that a flat 'saw' with no teeth pressing on a layer of cutting powder worked better than a toothed saw. The copper's not hard enough to do the cutting alone.hairykrishna said:
I believe last time the copper tools thing came up this was the paper I found;
"Testing ancient Egyptian granite-working methods in Aswan, Upper Egypt", Denys A. Stocks
Sure there was a link to an online google type book with plenty of material to show that a serious attempt had been made by the person you mention there, not just a claim by A N Other that working in a quarry and hitting a stone with a lump of copper was proof positive that someone was an expert and it would not work. Bookmarked it somewhere."Testing ancient Egyptian granite-working methods in Aswan, Upper Egypt", Denys A. Stocks
jmorgan said:
Sure there was a link to an online google type book with plenty of material to show that a serious attempt had been made by the person you mention there, not just a claim by A N Other that working in a quarry and hitting a stone with a lump of copper was proof positive that someone was an expert and it would not work. Bookmarked it somewhere.
This one maybe? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Experiments-Egyptian-Archa...Seems that flint is the material of choice for chisels to work hard stone.
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