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Halb

17,853 posts

52 months

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Thursday 26th July 2012 quote quote all
Hilts said:
The disinformation ploy was pretty much the subject of Mark Pilkington's book Mirage Men. I'd not put anything past the CIA/NSA etc but they definitely are withholding a lot of information.
Probably most/all of it.

fesuvious

3,942 posts

110 months

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Thursday 26th July 2012 quote quote all
Personally I think everyone on this thread should read the following;



It is not a bad place to start

RegMolehusband

2,420 posts

126 months

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Thursday 26th July 2012 quote quote all
I agree - but they refuse as it's apparently just a money making exercise wink

P.S. great profile and a great list of cars!

jmorgan

17,015 posts

153 months

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Thursday 26th July 2012 quote quote all
fesuvious said:
Personally I think everyone on this thread should read the following;



It is not a bad place to start
Thing is, the tinternet is a great place and though I have not read that book, the stories that are re told in the book are FOC on the web and researched by people who post up info for free. So yes, in this instance I think she is cashing in. The incidents that are in the book are pretty much laid to waste as a alien story without her book and her methods are for all to see in the Chilean UFO malarkey. Hardly a ringing endorsement for previous methods and quality of work.

So, I am unlikely to give her any loot for more shonkey research.

fesuvious

3,942 posts

110 months

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Thursday 26th July 2012 quote quote all
oh good grief

The importance of the book are the people who wrote the passages contained within it, not the researcher (Leslie Kean) that brought it all together.

The very point of that book is the credibility of the witness testimonies. Leslie Kean in the passages she did actually write merely links things together.

Moreover the book examines Government agencies and the individuals involved, and includes witness testimony from some of them.

'Project Bluebook' has already been mentioned in this thread, despite people knowing little about it, yet GEIPAN has not. Which is just one example of people choosing to fit content to their own agenda.

Read the book, it is worth reading, alongside many others


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jmorgan

17,015 posts

153 months

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Thursday 26th July 2012 quote quote all
Sort of what I said. There are reviews and the incidents are there for people to look at. The people involved are already scrutinised, the evidence is already seen.

hornet

5,449 posts

119 months

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Friday 27th July 2012 quote quote all
fesuvious said:
oh good grief

The importance of the book are the people who wrote the passages contained within it, not the researcher (Leslie Kean) that brought it all together.
The problem is she has cleary already made up her mind, witness the Chile case. She isn't researching anything, she's merely looking for cases that fit her model and discarding everything else. That's not remotely scientific. As such, the reader is left with incomplete data on which to base their conclusion.

fesuvious

3,942 posts

110 months

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Friday 27th July 2012 quote quote all
and none of that is contained in this book.......

In the book, it isn't about Leslie Kean or her opinion. The important thing about the book is the passages/chapters that are not written by her.

RegMolehusband

2,420 posts

126 months

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Friday 27th July 2012 quote quote all
For those who think that UFO sightings are the only seen by people called "Bubba" in Utah or are limited to a few pilots and astronauts spread over many years, here are a few from recent days in the UK.


Location of Sighting: Stockton on Tees
Date of Sighting: 24/7/12
Time: 11.15pm
Witness Name: Andy G

Witness Statement: was in the back garden, south facing, having a ciggie, when i noticed a bright white light coming towards me over the top of the n york moors when all of a sudden it shot from east to west in a split second and then disappeared, the distance from east to west along the outline of the moors must have been at least 30 miles in the blink of an eye, the funny thing was about a minute later i seen and heard the police helicopter going in the same direction. I tried to video it on my phone but the film is to light distorted from my kitchen light.

Location of Sighting: Wolverhampton
Date of Sighting: 24.07.12
Time: approx 10:20pm
Witness Name: Sarah

Witness Statement: As we were driving I saw what looked like a plane from a distance, before I knew it it had diverted course and was heading towards us. It flew straight past us within seconds. It looked like the size of a fighter jet but was much more curved in shape. It had red and orange lights underneath in the shape of a boomerang and moved very quickly and silently.

Location of Sighting: Bridgend, Wales
Date of Sighting: 23rd July 2012
Time: 23.45
Witness Name: Deb

Witness Statement: Sat out the garden having a cig, stargazing and an orange blurred triangle shaped object flew over at speed. This was no further up than a helicopter would fly, no flashing lights just orange/Amber in colour as though it was reflecting our street lights colour. This moved so fast, faster than a helicopter and absolute silence. So shocked I rang my brother at this hour to tell something. I've seen many of shooting stars and this was not one, I can not explain what I just seen. Anyone else see this tonight?

Location of Sighting: Bristol
Date of Sighting: 25/07/2012
Time: 12.45 am
Witness Name: Jason

Witness Statement: i was stood outside my sisters property having a cigarette looking into the night sky i saw a couple of shooting stars which was nice then suddenly three off white ish orbs travelling at a high rate of speed from a north easterly direction heading south west. at first in formation then the second and third started to move erratically but with precise movements then returned to formation as they as they were getting out of sight. there were no engine sounds and no sonic boom considering the speed of which these objects were moving. being this is the second time in my life i've seen something strange in the sky and reading the reports on this site im curious to know if any body else saw this phenomenon.

Location of Sighting: Birkdale , Southport
Date of Sighting: 21/7/12
Time: 00.16 - 00.18
Witness Name: Craig

Witness Statement: was using 10-42 binoculars looking for satellites crossing West -East in general merdian area. Large triangular craft came into fov at about distance of approx 1000yds , estimate length to be 150-200ft , 4 illuminated buttons , 3 near corners , 1 in the middle which was duller , illumnaited in different colours from pale blue near the edges to pale ,whitish grey in the middle around the central button. Moved silently and quite slowly from north to south , I followed it for about 1-2 minutes.

Location of Sighting: Fareham, Hampshire
Date of Sighting: 22nd July 2012
Time: 22:35 local
Witness Name: Gary

Witness Statement: Two orange discs/lights. From SW to NE. In excess of 30,000ft moving at least mach 3+. Discs were half a mile apart. One was trailing the other by around two miles. No sound. Clear sky. My job is in aviation and never seen anything like this in 32 years. Told the wife. She now thinks I've gone off my rocker. Please tell me someone else saw this!

Location of Sighting: Wrekin Hill, Shropshire
Date of Sighting: 21st July 2012
Time: 23:0hrs
Witness Name: Darren Perks

Witness Statement: Please find attached the latest UFO sphere which I captured on camera on 21st July 2012 at approx 2330 hours. The sphere moved silently over the west side of the Wrekin Hill in Shropshire near to the old A5 road. It then shot striaght up quickly and blinked out way up. The Sky was clear with no cloud at the time, and the wind was approx 5 to 10 mph. The sphere moved against the wind at approx 400ft. There was no structure or engine noise of any kind and the sphere was clearly controlled in some manner. The are is a hotspot for sightings and I am currently conducting ongoing investigations in that area.

http://www.uk-ufo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07...
http://www.uk-ufo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07...

Location of Sighting: Hills Over Stocksbridge, Sheffield
Date of Sighting: 24/25th July 20012
Time: 23:47hrs
Witness Name: Stephen T

Witness Statement: Ihave been observing these occurances from 26/06/2012. looked out of my bedroom window at23:47hrs spotted a tringular object omitting a blue white flashing light effect. object very high but visible the naked eye. I looked through my binoculars and could see a object omitting a red/blue and white light. This object is the same as I have spotted and photographed using my mobile camera.object disappeared at 01:34hrs



Edited by RegMolehusband on Friday 27th July 18:24

IainT

8,012 posts

107 months

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Yup, that's got me convinced.

not

RegMolehusband

2,420 posts

126 months

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Convinced (not) about what?

Halb

17,853 posts

52 months

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Friday 27th July 2012 quote quote all
Might have posted this, or not. But someone I know has seen a UFO, along with half his street back in the early 80s. It was elongated, had lots of lights, performed several aerial manoeuvres (non plane like ones) and the zoomed off. It 'appeared' to split in two at a much greater distance away and they both took off into the sky. There were a lot of people watching it, some had gone inside to bring other out.

Westy Pre-Lit

4,373 posts

72 months

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Friday 27th July 2012 quote quote all
^^^^^^^

Prove it PROVE IT !where's you're evidence ? swamp gas.....swamp gas....Chinese lanterns !!! they don't know what they saw they are brainless morons yes

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA wink


jmorgan

17,015 posts

153 months

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Friday 27th July 2012 quote quote all
RegMolehusband said:
For those who think that UFO sightings are the only seen by people called "Bubba" in Utah or are limited to a few pilots and astronauts spread over many years, here are a few from recent days in the UK.
And a good example of what people do not know. Themselves.


Edit. Big quote chopped out as it was silly (not the info, my quoting)


Edited by jmorgan on Friday 27th July 22:31

willld

101 posts

129 months

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Monday 30th July 2012 quote quote all
jmorgan said:
RegMolehusband said:
For those who think that UFO sightings are the only seen by people called "Bubba" in Utah or are limited to a few pilots and astronauts spread over many years, here are a few from recent days in the UK.
And a good example of what people do not know. Themselves.


Edit. Big quote chopped out as it was silly (not the info, my quoting)


Edited by jmorgan on Friday 27th July 22:31
A lot of them smoking in their gardens, no mention of what they were smoking bandit

I've yet to see any evidence of something extra-terrestrial that's not a fecking Chinese lantern tongue out

IainT

8,012 posts

107 months

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Monday 30th July 2012 quote quote all
RegMolehusband said:
Convinced (not) about what?
Not convinced that they're either

a) seeing anything (there are clearly a number of loons in that recent excerpt who 'see' UFOs regularly).

and/or

b) seeing anything of a non-earth origin

jmorgan

17,015 posts

153 months

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Monday 30th July 2012 quote quote all
willld said:
A lot of them smoking in their gardens, no mention of what they were smoking bandit

I've yet to see any evidence of something extra-terrestrial that's not a fecking Chinese lantern tongue out
No idea what the persons personal life style is. On a serious note I would rather not say that they are smoking, I prefer that they do not understand what they see. For example there is a mention of 30,000 feet and at 22.35 (sunset around 21:00?). There is an appeal to being an authority as well which the claimant must be careful of, this could be questioned. Goes on to say mach 3+. Few issues in that one. Size. To gauge the speed then the claimant would know what they were looking at and have an idea of size, this would used to gauge distance as well as speed. In the dark. Like to know what "in aviation" means. Maybe there is more info.

Wrekin could be a lantern, this is 23:00. I have been up the Wrekin, there are transmitters and it sticks out like a sore thumb on the landscape. Your eyes are not that good in the dark. One further up the list seems a tad, er, shonky even for a genuine mistake. And it goes on. Lights move towards you in the dark and it will look like it is standing still. Landing lights on aircraft outshine other lights and claims that there were no navigations lights visible and on and on. Lanterns also move at different speeds at different altitudes, seen this myself and observed it when I used to climb masts and buildings.

rhinochopig

16,050 posts

67 months

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Tuesday 31st July 2012 quote quote all
When I was in my local Mountain Rescue team I was called out for several night SARs because a member of the public saw an 'orange flare' floating through the sky.

The 'public' really aren't that smart when it comes to object recognition at night.

fesuvious

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110 months

Halb

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