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Eric Mc

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It needs to know how high it is above the terrain so that it knows when to throttle back and when to shut off its motors. So, it needs a radar altimeter of its own - which means extra weight. Also, what would it do after it soft landed? You need to have a very good reason to make something a softlander.

TheHeretic

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I think they are far more concerned with having the current setup working, and reliable, before getting with the crane section doing other tasks after the fact.

Asterix

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2 weeks of engineering checks before it moves off I think.

Bedazzled

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Eric Mc said:
It needs to know how high it is above the terrain so that it knows when to throttle back and when to shut off its motors.
If the skycrane can hover at a given altitude to deploy its rover, it must already have that equipment surely?

TheHeretic

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Bedazzled said:
If the skycrane can hover at a given altitude to deploy its rover, it must already have that equipment surely?
I suppose that equipment could be on the rover?
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Eric Mc

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TheHeretic said:
Bedazzled said:
If the skycrane can hover at a given altitude to deploy its rover, it must already have that equipment surely?
I suppose that equipment could be on the rover?
I thought it was.

Bedazzled

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Asterix said:
2 weeks of engineering checks before it moves off I think.
How smart is the guidance on Curiosity rover? When they can direct it towards a point of interest, does it navigate around obstacles automatically and find a route for itself, or does it just move forwards until it encounters something and then sit and wait for instruction?

TheHeretic

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Eric Mc said:
I thought it was.
Well, I am clearly a genius who should work for NASA then! hehe It would make sense, really, I think.

Eric Mc

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Bedazzled said:
Asterix said:
2 weeks of engineering checks before it moves off I think.
How smart is the guidance on Curiosity rover? When they can direct it towards a point of interest, does it navigate around obstacles automatically and find a route for itself, or does it just move forwards until it encounters something and then sit and wait for instruction?
I am pretty sure it can work its way around things - as could Spirit and Opportunity. Direct remote control is impractical because of the time lag in the signals. By the time the rover had received instruction to avoid a hole or crevasse, it would have driven into it. And if it spotted a hazard and waited for an instruction to drive around it, it would spend far too long sitting around waiting to be told simple instructions such as "steer left by X degrees", or "continue for 4 feet - then steer to the right by Y degrees".

Because Mars doesn't have a magnetic field of note, nor does it have a GPS system in place, Curiosity navigates using an Inertial Guidance System - much like Apollo and long range airliners and early Cruise Missiles.

If it thinks it's lost, in can radio a "lost" message home and then the operators on the ground can try and work out where it is by reference to known geological features in its vicinity. I am pretty sure they will be using these techniques over the next few days to establish a precise location for where it has landed - and providing them with an accurate set of Longitude and Latitude co-ordinates for the INS.

Bedazzled

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I think the TDS (radar altimeter) is on the skycrane descent stage. When the rover touches down it sends a "bridle cut" (bugger off) command via the comms cable, the skycrane maintains a hover briefly to allow the cable to detach, then it tips over slightly and applies 100% thrust to get out of Dodge.

Quite a good explanation here.

Eric Mc

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I just don't think there is any practical reason for being gentle with the crane. As you so eloquently put it - the main concern was to ensure it "buggered off" when its job was done.

Maybe in the future, IF they are landing a rover AND they use the crane technique, they could turn the crane itself into a kind of fixed lander/ground station and come up with a way of making sure it lands softly but out of the way of the rover.

scubadude

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Bedazzled said:
I think the TDS (radar altimeter) is on the skycrane descent stage. When the rover touches down it sends a "bridle cut" (bugger off) command via the comms cable, the skycrane maintains a hover briefly to allow the cable to detach, then it tips over slightly and applies 100% thrust to get out of Dodge.

Quite a good explanation here.
Nice detailed description in the link says the skycrane portion will use all its remaining fuel in the flyaway portion of the flight meaning wherever it crashes should be largely free on fuel contamination, it also suggests that unit is more than capable of controlled light all by itself.

I suppose the biggest reason to do nothing with it is it doesn't possess any method of transmitting the data back although I'd have thought that given they think it'll crash within 150mtrs of the rover it might be worth a visit.

Anyway, 2weeks of checks to "enjoy" now :-)

Gwagon111

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Bedazzled said:
How smart is the guidance on Curiosity rover? When they can direct it towards a point of interest, does it navigate around obstacles automatically and find a route for itself, or does it just move forwards until it encounters something and then sit and wait for instruction?
It's not a Big Trak. I've busted my nuts for the last 12 years to ensure the guidance system is the best it can be. It's very complex, and hopefully robust (we expect a MTBF of c 20 years).

Use Psychology

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61 months

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soon there'll be a google maps mars edition with live traffic conditions then.

Eric Mc

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MTBF?

Please don't use in-house jargon.

It's great that someone involved in the mission is posting on here. But using tecchie jargon is a bit unfair on those who are keen to find out stuff but are not party to the lingo you guys use amongst yourself.

Indeed, it can be seen as being a bit rude.

Eric Mc

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Use Psychology said:
soon there'll be a google maps mars edition with live traffic conditions then.
If it was earth it would be - one vehicle in Africa, one vehicle in South America and another in China. Delays expected.

mondeoman

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135 months

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MTBF - thats an easy one Eric: Mean Time Between Failures smile

mrmr96

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Eric Mc said:
MTBF?

Please don't use in-house jargon.

It's great that someone involved in the mission is posting on here. But using tecchie jargon is a bit unfair on those who are keen to find out stuff but are not party to the lingo you guys use amongst yourself.

Indeed, it can be seen as being a bit rude.
http://www.acronymfinder.com/MTBF.html

mrmr96

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Gwagon111 said:
It's not a Big Trak. I've busted my nuts for the last 12 years to ensure the guidance system is the best it can be. It's very complex, and hopefully robust (we expect a MTBF of c 20 years).
You have? Can I ask what's been your involvement? (This could become interesting smile )

moleamol

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Eric Mc said:
MTBF?

Please don't use in-house jargon.

It's great that someone involved in the mission is posting on here. But using tecchie jargon is a bit unfair on those who are keen to find out stuff but are not party to the lingo you guys use amongst yourself.

Indeed, it can be seen as being a bit rude.
It took me less time on Google to find that it means Mission Time Between Failures than it did for you to moan.
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