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Eric Mc

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Sunday 11th January 2015
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The feathering system lock was "unlocked" too early. This allowed the tail section to move into the feathered position whilst the aircraft was accelerating through the Max Q - the period of maximum dynamic pressure on the vehicle. This was enough to cause structural break up and loss of the vehicle.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 11th January 2015
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All of these projects get criticised. There's been tons of criticism of the Shuttle. There was plenty of criticism of Apollo when it was in its hey day.


Eric Mc

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Sunday 11th January 2015
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mybrainhurts said:
Of course, you're right. Even I criticised the Sinclair C5...hehe
Sometimes its completely justified.

Eric Mc

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Friday 16th January 2015
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Simpo Two said:
mybrainhurts said:
This is getting a bit too James Bond villainish for comfort....
It's an interesting move away from 'Government' to 'private enterprise'. We just assume such massive undertakings are done by country - but as Governments lose interest or run out of money or give it to the starving Africans, private enterprise steps in...
Private enterprise has been involved in spaceflight from day one.

Eric Mc

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Friday 16th January 2015
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It's a very different kind of project. I applaud both as they have very different aims.

Eric Mc

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Friday 16th January 2015
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Up and around for SpaceX.

Up and down for Virgin.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 17th January 2015
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That was the ONLY answer.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 18th January 2015
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Of course it's always best to wait.

But this is a discussion forum where people discuss things - so I was discussing.

If you don't want to join in the discussion, don't.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 18th January 2015
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Musk does seem to be taking on an awful lot of projects.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 18th January 2015
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All very good points.

The issue that concerned me seemed to be the very narrow speed window within which it was unsafe to unlock the feathers and then the point where they deemed it prudent to unlock them.

That could be a design fault.

And testing is what highlights where design faults might lie.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 18th January 2015
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All very commendable but I hope he doesn't bankrupt himself in the process.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 18th January 2015
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No machines are perfect and sometimes all one can do is work around those imperfections as best you can. The Shuttle is a classic example of a very imperfect vehicle. They got it to work - not as well as they would have liked - but work none the less.

Sometimes it is only through testing that some of these issues come to the fore.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 18th January 2015
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All aircraft have to be tested by test pilots before passengers can be carried. There are lots of examples of early versions of airliners or civil aircraft having problems that were sorted out in test before entering airline service.

Are you saying because there has been a problem they should give up?

Eric Mc

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Sunday 18th January 2015
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Maybe he should go back to balloons. But you do know what they say about Virgins and balloons - one pr**k and it's gone forever.

Maybe he should stick to rockets.

Eric Mc

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Monday 19th January 2015
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You can quote all you like. Spaceflight is still in its early stages as far as launching people on the end of rockets is concerned. After 50 plus years of manned launches, we've still done it less than a thousand times - and the launch phase of each mission barely lasts ten minutes - so the total number of HOURS of manned launch experience is still tiny.

Even if you add in the various rocket plane programmes - such as the X-15 (which is the only really comparable programme to Virgin Galactic) - you are still only adding a further couple of hundred hours - which is not much in aviation terms.

Compare this to the MILLIONS of flight hours that were accumulated over the first 50 years of heavier than air flight.

Although it shares a common heritage, space flight is different in many ways to air travel - and we are still learning.

Eric Mc

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Monday 19th January 2015
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You've obviously got a very negative opinion of the project so no matter what I put to you, you will counter with a string of negatives. So, what is the point of further discussion?

If the guy wants to have a go doing this, let him do it.

If people want to have a go on his craft - let them.

If you don't like what he's doing and think it's risky - don't buy a ticket.

Rather than continually trawl up reasons (real or concocted) as to why he shouldn't be carrying out this project, can't we chat about the technical aspects in a more sensible, neutral way?

Eric Mc

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Monday 19th January 2015
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I'm all for interesting and exciting.

And this project is interesting and exciting - if a bit dodgy.

I'm all for dodgy too - although I may not be a volunteer smile

Let's just see if it pans out. It may turn out to be a bit of a dud. Or it could be the first chapter in a new form of travel. Who knows.

I'm prepared to give it a chance.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Sorry, but that picture reminded me of this -


Eric Mc

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Tuesday 28th July 2015
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ash73 said:
Good, does it mean they can get on with it?
They've been "getting on with it" for months. The replacement craft is about 50% complete.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 29th July 2015
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Who knows?

At least they are giving it a go.