Rosetta Probe

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SeanyD

3,375 posts

200 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Looking at the higher res photo on the beeb:



Curious to see a cylinder/barrel like shape next to it's final resting point - how does nature produce a shape like that, genuine question.

Brilliant project and achievement.

durbster

10,264 posts

222 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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SeanyD said:
Looking at the higher res photo on the beeb:



Curious to see a cylinder/barrel like shape next to it's final resting point - how does nature produce a shape like that, genuine question.

Brilliant project and achievement.
I guess it'd be similar to the southern coastline of Australia, where erosion just happens at different rates to different areas due to the structure of the rock and the battering it takes from external sources:


I don't think there's a shape nature hasn't created yet to be honest, even in rock. smile

Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Thanks Eric.

FunkyNige

8,883 posts

275 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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durbster said:
SeanyD said:
Looking at the higher res photo on the beeb:

Curious to see a cylinder/barrel like shape next to it's final resting point - how does nature produce a shape like that, genuine question.

Brilliant project and achievement.
I guess it'd be similar to the southern coastline of Australia, where erosion just happens at different rates to different areas due to the structure of the rock and the battering it takes from external sources:

I don't think there's a shape nature hasn't created yet to be honest, even in rock. smile
Latest news is that it landed on dusty ice so it could be a lump of ice that has formed that shape, I can't quite get my head around how erosion could form shapes in a world of no air...

jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Sublimination?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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There are many regular shapes in nature. Saturn does a good show on hexagons.

Eric Mc

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122,029 posts

265 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Air is not the only agent of erosion.

All the mountains of the moon are rounded off despite the fact that there is no air. They have been eroded by 4 billion years of micrometeorite impact.

On a comet there will be quite dramatic temperature shifts - especially during its passage close to the sun, which will cause fractures, melting, outgassing and even explosions - so plenty of scope there for rocks and ice to be broken up and flung about.

Halmyre

11,194 posts

139 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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SeanyD said:
Looking at the higher res photo on the beeb:



Curious to see a cylinder/barrel like shape next to it's final resting point - how does nature produce a shape like that, genuine question.

Brilliant project and achievement.
Alie...

(Bang. Thud.)

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Whilst this mission is awesome - is anyone else disappointed in the sparsity of images being released to the public.

Over a week after touchdown and they have only released 17 images of the descent and landing (and only two from the actual surface).

I can understand them wanting to keep important results back for scientific research papers etc - but they need to keep the public on side - and hoarding the data/images goes against this IMO. People hear about the cost of this mission - but see very little of the results.

http://www.universetoday.com/116208/concerns-over-...

NASA on the other hand released spectacular images from the curiosity rover almost from day one - and there are now tens of thousands of images publically available.

Eric Mc

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265 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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NASA is a pretty unique governmental organisation. It was set up by Eisenhower SPECIFICALLY to do things very different to the way governments and the military normally conduct themselves.

NASA was intended to be a showcase for the open, frank and honest way the US wanted to conduct itself in space research and as a complete contrast to the secretive and hidden way the Soviets were seen to be conducting their space efforts.

It is in their DNA to be open and very public orientated. ESA is not quite the same, being more typical of state funded bodies.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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I am not sure they are geared up for it and as pointed out, it is the difference between the Europeans and US. I think NASA wants to survive so it dishes out all it can, sort of "look at what we are doing, keep funding us" where as Europe are more top heavy red tape what do they need to see that for?

MrCarPark

528 posts

141 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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It looks as if Philae's landing was more chaotic than previously imagined:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/esa_finds_...

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

198 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Even luckier that anything actually worked then!

Nimby

4,590 posts

150 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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ash73 said:
I think "crashed" rather than "landed" would be more accurate.
It was only doing about 2mph relative to the comet.

Eric Mc

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122,029 posts

265 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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It was a slow motion crash.

LordGrover

33,539 posts

212 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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New Scientist said:
...the latest analysis of data gathered by Philae during its brief waking time on the comet suggest it is receiving just enough sunlight to survive the cold and is very likely to switch on again next year.
#RosettaWatch: Comet lander could wake up next year

Sounds more hopeful than expecting but will watch with interest.

hidetheelephants

24,352 posts

193 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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NASA's Dawn to orbit Ceres in the new year. A bit less rock'n'roll than a comet, but interesting none the less.

FunkyNige

8,883 posts

275 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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hidetheelephants said:
NASA's Dawn to orbit Ceres in the new year. A bit less rock'n'roll than a comet, but interesting none the less.
I know it's trendy to hate the Mail, but that article is pretty much stolen from the NASA website
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-na...

But anyway, that's a great achievement being able to orbit two separate bodies, I'm not sure we've ever done that before have we? Excluding orbiting Earth straight after lift-off of course! Ion drives seem to be the medium term solution to travelling around the solar system, though I guess scaling it up to shift humans around is going to be the issue.

Eric Mc

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265 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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I know that a number of probes have visited more than one asteroid - but I don't think they've gone into orbit on any of those missions.

MrCarPark

528 posts

141 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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ESA have released a new image showing the increasing activity of 67P (taken 8 weeks ago!)



Here for more info:

http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/01/16/fine-struc...