Artillery projectiles - do they have a brass casing?
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One for the tread heads here, or any ex army folks 
Basically I am doing a modelling diorama for a national competition and I am trying to find suitable items for the layout.
Basically it is an artillery piece that is supposed to have been abandoned with shells left lying, a last stand affair.
It is a sci-fi setting so the tank isn't real world applicable so I am having to find suitable modelling bits and bobs to use.
My initial idea was to use scale brass shell casings =, however finding suitable bits is difficult.
The main thing I am trying to find out is if modern artillery uses a metal shell casing, like a bullet) or if they use a shell, then powder put in separately like a ships gun?
Just curious as I want it to look right.
Thanks for any advice
Basically I am doing a modelling diorama for a national competition and I am trying to find suitable items for the layout.
Basically it is an artillery piece that is supposed to have been abandoned with shells left lying, a last stand affair.
It is a sci-fi setting so the tank isn't real world applicable so I am having to find suitable modelling bits and bobs to use.
My initial idea was to use scale brass shell casings =, however finding suitable bits is difficult.
The main thing I am trying to find out is if modern artillery uses a metal shell casing, like a bullet) or if they use a shell, then powder put in separately like a ships gun?
Just curious as I want it to look right.
Thanks for any advice
Cheers that's pretty handy
Seems some large artillery used a brass casing, some used bagless for the same calibre.
Thinking I may go for brass as the used tubes add's a level of desperation of just chucking them out to get the next one in.
The idea is based on the tank chassis the Germans dug into the road in berlin as a last stand artillery defence.
Seems some large artillery used a brass casing, some used bagless for the same calibre.
Thinking I may go for brass as the used tubes add's a level of desperation of just chucking them out to get the next one in.
The idea is based on the tank chassis the Germans dug into the road in berlin as a last stand artillery defence.
As a side note, when I was in Bosnia I nicked a massive artillery shell casing from the NORBAT officers mess whilst the Artillery where having a big shindig. Unfortunately I was bubbled by the gate guard and forced under duress to return it the next day. The b
ds staged a kangaroo court and scared the crap out of me.
ds staged a kangaroo court and scared the crap out of me.Rick_1138 said:
Cheers that's pretty handy
Seems some large artillery used a brass casing, some used bagless for the same calibre.
Thinking I may go for brass as the used tubes add's a level of desperation of just chucking them out to get the next one in.
The idea is based on the tank chassis the Germans dug into the road in berlin as a last stand artillery defence.
Sci-fi needs a rail-gun. You need a gen-set, big cables linking the two, and a stockpile of shells that look like these.Seems some large artillery used a brass casing, some used bagless for the same calibre.
Thinking I may go for brass as the used tubes add's a level of desperation of just chucking them out to get the next one in.
The idea is based on the tank chassis the Germans dug into the road in berlin as a last stand artillery defence.
rhinochopig said:
Sci-fi needs a rail-gun. You need a gen-set, big cables linking the two, and a stockpile of shells that look like these.
You'd think so, but this is warhammer 40,000 infantry, think WW1 on a continental battle scale, i.e. far future but old school mahoosive artillery, hence self propelled artillery in the style of German Flak 88's but 150mm calibre.Having a hunt about, the german SDKFZ 'Hummel' is a real world counterpart to what I am doing.
Google Armageddon pattern basilisk and you will see what I am making.
Rick_1138 said:
You'd think so, but this is warhammer 40,000 infantry, think WW1 on a continental battle scale, i.e. far future but old school mahoosive artillery, hence self propelled artillery in the style of German Flak 88's but 150mm calibre.
Having a hunt about, the german SDKFZ 'Hummel' is a real world counterpart to what I am doing.
Google Armageddon pattern basilisk and you will see what I am making.
The Hummel's gun uses seperate loading ammunition so that the charge can be adjusted. I cant find any pictures unfortunately.Having a hunt about, the german SDKFZ 'Hummel' is a real world counterpart to what I am doing.
Google Armageddon pattern basilisk and you will see what I am making.
Might be worth you giving this -http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/bullets2.htm a read
Foliage said:
The Hummel's gun uses seperate loading ammunition so that the charge can be adjusted. I cant find any pictures unfortunately.
Might be worth you giving this -http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/bullets2.htm a read
Sorry I meant the Hummel is the counterpart in style\look of the thing. Gun wise its a scaled up version of the flak 88 gun.Might be worth you giving this -http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/bullets2.htm a read
I ended up finding 105mm artillery ammunition in 1.35th scale that should be close enough to look right.
Interesting reading about modern ammo and armour piercing tungsten spike ammo!
Rick_1138 said:
..Seems some large artillery used a brass casing, some used bagless for the same calibre....
This is it - there's no exact science on this one. My father has a 3ft brass case (Chinese I think) he uses as an umbrella stand, yet our 155s had bag charges. The 105s had brass, etc, etc.The biggest thing for me from a gun position was the packaging rather than the cases. Everything comes on pallets, the bag charges in tubes and so on.
HTH
Rick_1138 said:
rhinochopig said:
Sci-fi needs a rail-gun. You need a gen-set, big cables linking the two, and a stockpile of shells that look like these.
You'd think so, but this is warhammer 40,000 infantry, think WW1 on a continental battle scale, i.e. far future but old school mahoosive artillery, hence self propelled artillery in the style of German Flak 88's but 150mm calibre.Having a hunt about, the german SDKFZ 'Hummel' is a real world counterpart to what I am doing.
Google Armageddon pattern basilisk and you will see what I am making.
Shell cases, the brass bits that used to stay in the gun, and held the propellant - find a rifle club and ask for some spent .22 cases. Should be OK for about 1/5th scale of a modern 105mm tank gun.
See: http://www.generalequipment.info/TANK%20AMMO%20105...
John
See: http://www.generalequipment.info/TANK%20AMMO%20105...
John
tuffer said:
Looks to be separate bags of propellant:
I think in generally indirect fire (artillery) tend to use bagged charges, while direct fire (tanks) use cased rounds. The bagged charges allow you to fire on different trajectories, so it's possible with an AS90 to fire 3 rounds and have them all land on the target at the same time.RizzoTheRat said:
tuffer said:
Looks to be separate bags of propellant:
I think in generally indirect fire (artillery) tend to use bagged charges, while direct fire (tanks) use cased rounds. The bagged charges allow you to fire on different trajectories, so it's possible with an AS90 to fire 3 rounds and have them all land on the target at the same time.Gassing Station | Science! | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff