Cygnus CRS3 launch failure

Cygnus CRS3 launch failure

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mybrainhurts

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256 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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Eric Mc said:
TobyLaRohne said:
Sounds like he is crying...did he have shares in the company or something?
I think it is down to sheer shock. To be actually present when something of this magnitude happens and to directly experience the noise and the actual physicality of it (i.e the punch effect of the shock wave) must be very frightening).
Plus there may be genuine danger from falling debris or noxious fumes and gases.

When the Russian R7 rocket nosedived back to earth shortly after launch last year, in one video you can hear a very similar reaction from one of the observers.
Oh, the huge manatee....hehe

Eric Mc

122,043 posts

266 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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Mojocvh said:
Quoted for posterity wink

PS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLe8zu7HDQ

sorry about the 4 sec "ad"
Excellent.

I was thinking to myself - if I were that cameraman, I would be getting away from that window.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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Eric Mc said:
Mojocvh said:
Quoted for posterity wink

PS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLe8zu7HDQ

sorry about the 4 sec "ad"
Excellent.

I was thinking to myself - if I were that cameraman, I would be getting away from that window.
Bloody hell. Good job they didn't do that in Liverpool. Do the Russians tell their people when they're going to let one off, or just surprise them?

Eric Mc

122,043 posts

266 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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The buildings look part of the launch complex i.e. the Baikanour Cosmodrome.

jmorgan

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285 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
Eric Mc said:
We are so used to viewing camera work carried out by professionals that we are very harsh on footage shot by ordinary folk - often using simple equipment like their mobile phones. If a rocket blew up only a mile or so from me I'd be hard pushed to keep my camera steady.
Said the actress to the bishop...smile
yer, shaky sets I can live with but not shaky camera work......

I would not presume to be capable and take it on its merits. Some people have a knack, others do not and if it is really for your own consumption, it will not matter. If I had the option at a launch I would get a few mates together and film different aspects and then edit it together, set a few ground rules and let the camera's roll. A single camera is always limiting.



MartG

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205 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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Atlas V launch at 17:21 today, using ( different ) Russian engines

http://spaceflightnow.com/2014/10/28/av050-mission...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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Eric Mc said:
The buildings look part of the launch complex i.e. the Baikanour Cosmodrome.
Oh, I see.

Love it...let the staff watch through their windows. What could possibly go wrong?

Much that I despise Health and Safety, I must admit to a slight twitch or two here...hehe

Cue the PH H&S zealots breaking forth in a clammy sweat, swords aloft. Oh, no, that would be unsafe, wouldn't it? They might cut themselves. Plastic swords, then...smile



MartG

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Wednesday 29th October 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
Cue the PH H&S zealots breaking forth in a clammy sweat, swords aloft. Oh, no, that would be unsafe, wouldn't it? They might cut themselves. Plastic swords, then...smile

Take a laugh for that

MartG

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Wednesday 29th October 2014
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The U.S. Air Force's 45th Space Wing has issued a statement saying engineers conducted an overnight review of components used by the Atlas 5 rocket and the Antares launcher that disintegrated in a fireball seconds after liftoff Tuesday.
"Following the launch failure of the Antares at Wallops Flight Facility last night, the 45th Space Wing and the launch team evaluated the Atlas 5 launch vehicle for common components with the failed Antares launch vehicle," the Air Force said in a statement.

"Based on this evaluation the 45th Space Wing and the launch team have determined that these common components do not introduce any additional risk to the success of the Atlas 5 GPS mission."

Simpo Two

85,480 posts

266 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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Maybe design a little thingy that stops the engne going over 100%? That's what it needs. Well, needed.

jingars

1,095 posts

241 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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ULA video streaming of the Atlas V launch of their GPS IIF-8 satellite is due to start at 17:00 UK time via their website - can't see any updates on the weather, which was put at 70% favourable for launch earlier in the day.

MartG

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Wednesday 29th October 2014
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jingars said:
ULA video streaming of the Atlas V launch of their GPS IIF-8 satellite is due to start at 17:00 UK time via their website - can't see any updates on the weather, which was put at 70% favourable for launch earlier in the day.
Be warned - the announcer with the REALLY annoying way of speaking seems to be on duty today frown

jingars

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241 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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MartG said:
Be warned - the announcer with the REALLY annoying way of speaking seems to be on duty today frown
Ah, not just me, then? biglaugh


MartG

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Wednesday 29th October 2014
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jingars said:
MartG said:
Be warned - the announcer with the REALLY annoying way of speaking seems to be on duty today frown
Ah, not just me, then? biglaugh
Nope - and there are a few comments on FB about her too

jingars

1,095 posts

241 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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Danielle's commentary aside, a slick launch - nicely done.

Eric Mc

122,043 posts

266 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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I miss the old Apollo guys.

mybrainhurts

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256 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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Eric Mc said:
I miss the old Apollo guys.
I had you down more as a Tiller Girls at the London Palladium kind of bloke, Eric...smile

slybynight

391 posts

122 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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I've watched most of the vids here and a few others of the failed launch. It seems to me that there was something wrong from the moment of ignition - some sort of fuel cloud was released (to the left of it) before the thing even got off the pad. - The main engines seem to then ignite this cloud just as it starts to gain altitude - something you can hear in the sound. It looks like they held on to it to see if it would recover, but when something indicated that it wouldn't ... they seem to have blown it up. - You can again hear the detonation in the sound. The russian ones however, do not seem to have this self destruct functionality - they just keep on thrusting right into the ground!

Not sure which one I'd rather travel on!

Actually, listenning to it again, I thing the explosion just before the big one is the thing hitting the ground/tower just before the tanks rupture and the contents ignites.

Either way, I reckon the shock wave alone would have a massive emotional effect on a person. - A bit like being at a rock concert when you can feel the bass kick in your lungs - but times 100

Edited by slybynight on Wednesday 29th October 20:34

MrCarPark

528 posts

142 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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Eric Mc said:
MiniMan64 said:
Not that close surely? Looking at that footage from the plane the pad looks a fair distance from where any spectators might be plus the sound delay.

Trust the Americans though for a good few OH MY GOD!!!! OH MY GOD!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!
I would say it is less than 6 miles. Canaveral used to have an observation area three miles from Pads 39A and B. After the Challenger acciodent they moved spectators even further away.

The Wallops Island press area looks like it's between 1 and 3 miles - which is pretty close.
The sound delay is about 10s, so about 2 miles to where the camera is in this case.

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

159 months

Wednesday 29th October 2014
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A shock wave from 2 miles away can make men cry? Jesus, get some balls.