Cygnus CRS3 launch failure

[130R]

ISS this is Houston, uh ... about that new delivery of instant noodles you were expecting ...

[Eric Mc]

Zoobeef said:

A shock wave from 2 miles away can make men cry? Jesus, get some balls.

Do you understand the magnitude of a shockwave caused by an explosion like that?

[Zoobeef]

Eric Mc said:

Do you understand the magnitude of a shockwave caused by an explosion like that?

Yes

[RobDickinson]

scubadude said:

That's abit different- they don't know where and on whom it will land. PLus they don't sound half as bothered IMO.

Far mroe dangerous too, Us launched rockets carry self destructs ( which happened yesterday), Russian rockets dont, if they go off track better not be where they land...

I assume the engines are designed to go over 100% to make up for shortfalls in other engines - happend to the shuttle (see recent thread where one fault made up for another fault and the shuttle survived that launch).

[Eric Mc]

Zoobeef said:

Eric Mc said:

Do you understand the magnitude of a shockwave caused by an explosion like that?

Yes

I'm not sure you do. Ordinary folk don't normally get to experience such a loud concussion and feel the thud of the shockwave hit them in the chest and blast their ears. If you have served in the military you might be immune to the effects - but your average Joe and Josephine would never really be prepared for what hit them.

[rufusruffcutt]

Bit of a mess (sorry for the large image - click on it for a larger still)

[Eric Mc]

It looks like the impact point was just on the shoreline rather than directly onto the pad.

[anonymous-user]

RobDickinson said:

I assume the engines are designed to go over 100% to make up for shortfalls in other engines - happend to the shuttle (see recent thread where one fault made up for another fault and the shuttle survived that launch).

Nope. Engines end up being rated for over 100% due to improvements in the thrust capability over time, and not wanting to rewrite or change previous procedures. So, an engine that previously was rated at say 100KN and gets re-engineered to be capable of 110KN will be referred to as running at 110%. If the new higher thrust was called "100%" there is a danger than any previous thrust level could also be increased accidentally.

[Zoobeef]

Eric Mc said:

Zoobeef said:

Eric Mc said:

Do you understand the magnitude of a shockwave caused by an explosion like that?

Yes

I'm not sure you do. Ordinary folk don't normally get to experience such a loud concussion and feel the thud of the shockwave hit them in the chest and blast their ears. If you have served in the military you might be immune to the effects - but your average Joe and Josephine would never really be prepared for what hit them.

They were miles away, they stayed on their feet, no windows were broken, no bleeding ears.
They need to hand their man cards in.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

I don't know how it could have gone so wrong. I mean, come on, launching a rocket, it's not brain surgery.

[Eric Mc]

Zoobeef said:

They were miles away, they stayed on their feet, no windows were broken, no bleeding ears.
They need to hand their man cards in.

I bet you would have crumpled into the foetal position and gone "Wah, Wah, Wah - I want my mummy".

I think thou dost protest too much.

[Zoobeef]

Eric Mc said:

I bet you would have crumpled into the foetal position and gone "Wah, Wah, Wah - I want my mummy".

I think thou dost protest too much.

Or maybe not.

[Eric Mc]

I'll say no more.

Has anybody got any sort of measurement of the TNT equivalent of the blast?

[jmorgan]

There was a substantial bunker built for Apollo, IF they could get to it in time. The Saturn V had a bit of potential...... not quite this small but still....
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1211/19rubberr...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_room_(bunker)

And this popped up in the search, some cool 360 images
http://nasatech.net/ntSubPad39A_PAGE.html

[Zoobeef]

For me, closest has been a grenade in the next room. Biggest impact was a 500lb bomb approx 250m away. Largest being 2000lb+ from approx 1km.

The 500lb was so intense the whole vehicle I was on top of tipped to one side and I honestly thought I had been hit.

I can see some going into shock but full on crying, no, that needs a man up. Guessing they take cover when someone slams a door.

[Eric Mc]

Obviously you have a habit getting close to big bangs.

Believe, it's not what most of us do.

[Simpo Two]

Zoobeef said:

For me, closest has been a grenade in the next room. Biggest impact was a 500lb bomb approx 250m away. Largest being 2000lb+ from approx 1km.

The 500lb was so intense the whole vehicle I was on top of tipped to one side and I honestly thought I had been hit.

I can see some going into shock but full on crying, no, that needs a man up. Guessing they take cover when someone slams a door.

Remember how many people blubbed and wailed when Diana died... we live in strange times.

[anonymous-user]

rufusruffcutt said:

Bit of a mess (sorry for the large image - click on it for a larger still)

You'd have thought that considering the energy release potential in case of a malfunction, that launch facilities might be somewhat designed / armoured to prevent excessive damage in such cases? Perhaps it's cheaper to just rebuild it after an accidental low level bang? (and i guess you get a "Free" facility upgrade, or at least a nice new coat of paint, too??)

[Magog]

Max_Torque said:

rufusruffcutt said:

Bit of a mess (sorry for the large image - click on it for a larger still)

You'd have thought that considering the energy release potential in case of a malfunction, that launch facilities might be somewhat designed / armoured to prevent excessive damage in such cases? Perhaps it's cheaper to just rebuild it after an accidental low level bang? (and i guess you get a "Free" facility upgrade, or at least a nice new coat of paint, too??)

The hard bits look pretty undamaged, and everything else looks pretty modular, most of them probably get upgraded or swapped out fairly frequently I imagine. Probably is just cheaper to build it multiple times over than build it like a fortress.

[Zoobeef]

anonymous said:

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Ahh the generic response from the PH retards.