Orion Launch Today

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Gandahar

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128 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Eric Mc said:
Regarding the Apollo 1 fire, the astronauts would have died if the capsule had been fitted with the Block 2 style hatch too.
Having a pure oxygen atmosphere plus dodgy wiring does sound rather an accident waiting to happen doesn't it in hindsight......

jmorgan

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284 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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jmorgan said:
At least Putin did not get his navy to swipe it.
Vague reference obviously....

http://www.astronautix.com/articles/sovpsule.htm

headline
"Soviets Recovered an Apollo Capsule!"

Eric Mc

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265 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Gandahar said:
Good old Gus. Almost drowned and then burnt to death sadly later. frown
Not burned - asphyxiated.

None of the three occupants of the capsule suffered burns that would have killed them.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 6th December 2014
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Gandahar said:
Having a pure oxygen atmosphere plus dodgy wiring does sound rather an accident waiting to happen doesn't it in hindsight......
It wasn't the pure oxygen atmosphere on its own. It was the fact that they had it at about 15 psi during the test.

American spacecraft continued to use pure oxygen right through to the last Apollo flight in 1975.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 6th December 2014
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I was reading up on how EVAs (spacewalks) will be performed from Orion. Orion won't have an airlock. Therefore, when performing an EVA the capsule will have to be fully depressurised to allow the hatch to be opened - just like in Apollo and Gemini.

CrutyRammers

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198 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Well, I guess airlocks are large and heavy. Plus on any long mission beyond the moon, it'll be joined to a larger habitation module anyway, which might have its own airlocks - or I guess you could even treat the whole orion capsule as one, while keeping the rest pressurised?

MartG

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204 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Eric Mc said:
I was reading up on how EVAs (spacewalks) will be performed from Orion. Orion won't have an airlock. Therefore, when performing an EVA the capsule will have to be fully depressurised to allow the hatch to be opened - just like in Apollo and Gemini.
Hmmm - If Orion has the same cabin environment as the ISS the lack of an airlock will require the entire crew to pre-breathe pure oxygen for around 2 1/2 hours prior to an EVA to avoid the bends, as the spacesuits typically are only pressurised to 5psi pure oxygen. On the Shuttle ( and on the ISS after the Quest airlock module was added ) the astronauts preparing for EVA could do this in the airlock without affecting the rest of the crew, while on earlier Apollo and Gemini flights the cabin had the same 5psi O2 pressure as the suits.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 6th December 2014
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Agreed. I've not read a satisfactory description yet as to how EVAs from Orion will be carried out.

Another issue is the loo. The Shuttle, Skylab and the ISS all have proper zero-g loos. Is there room for one in Orion or is it back to the days of plastic bags?
And there will be mixed sex crews on Orion.

MartG

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204 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Your last line I think answers the question - no way would NASA allow a mixed crew without the privacy of a separate loo

Simpo Two

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265 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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MartG said:
Your last line I think answers the question - no way would NASA allow a mixed crew without the privacy of a separate loo
So they have to cart a seperate toilet along just so they can show sexual equality? That could make the entire mission unfeasbile. I think it will either have to be men only or the woman grins and bears it.

MartG

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Saturday 6th December 2014
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Simpo Two said:
MartG said:
Your last line I think answers the question - no way would NASA allow a mixed crew without the privacy of a separate loo
So they have to cart a seperate toilet along just so they can show sexual equality? That could make the entire mission unfeasbile. I think it will either have to be men only or the woman grins and bears it.
The astros would probably put up with it, but the US voters wouldn't wink

Eric Mc

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Saturday 6th December 2014
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I'm sure they have something sorted out - I just don't know what it is yet.

Reading "Man on the Moon" by Andrew Chaikin at the moment and the male only crews of the Apollo era weren't that ecstatic about having to use plastic bags - at all.

marksx

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190 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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MartG said:
The astros would probably put up with it, but the US voters wouldn't wink
They probably wont even consider it. Unless Fox news brings it up as a headline.

"Breaking news - No bathroom for girls on Orion spaceship.."

MartG

20,683 posts

204 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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marksx said:
MartG said:
The astros would probably put up with it, but the US voters wouldn't wink
They probably wont even consider it. Unless Fox news brings it up as a headline.

"Breaking news - No bathroom for girls on Orion spaceship.."
nah - religious busybodies will already have asked the question and insisted that NASA provide separate bathrooms

Halmyre

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139 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Did the shuttle have separate loos?

MartG

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204 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Halmyre said:
Did the shuttle have separate loos?
It had a privacy compartment with 'equipment' for both sexes




Edited by MartG on Saturday 6th December 23:38

-Z-

6,027 posts

206 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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One thing I don't quite get about Orion:

The Mars mission will involve the astronauts living in a separate module which Orion will dock with once in orbit. The Mars lander will be yet another module. Why take orion along at all, seems like deadweight? Why not just leave it in a parking orbit around earth?

When you see the size of the proposed Mars craft and Orion stuck on the end, it makes you realise how much work is left:



Although, I fully understand how useful Orion is in near earth missions, including the awesome planned asteroid rendezvous, just that some people assume we are almost ready to go to Mars any day now.

MartG

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204 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Orion will provide all the flight control systems ( why duplicate the weight ), and can also act as a safe harbour in case of anything affecting the living module e.g. depressurisation, fire etc.

Eric Mc

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265 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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Can I just say how much I have enjoyed the PH chat over the past few days on Orion and related maters.

It's a real pity that we will probably be waiting another three years before we get to do it again.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 7th December 2014
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Why do you think they want a rocket with 8 million pounds of thrust at launch?

Once the SLS becomes operational, large structures can be got into space much more rapidly than with the Shuttle.