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Sylvaforever

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Saturday 23rd July 2016
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callmedave said:
Eric Mc said:
The pace at which SpaceX is doing things is on a par with what NASA could do in the early to mid 1960s i.e. they had a free hand and fairly unlimited budgets to push through missions and tests at a very fast rate. NASA can't do this any more.

SpaceX can.

I am very impressed with what Musk is doing and I am confident that most, if not all, of his plans will come to fruition.
Took the words out my mouth Eric.
Completly agree it is an exciting time.

Eric Mc

121,895 posts

265 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Let's just hope his finances stay healthy.

I'm worried that his whole edifice will be brought down by some sort of class action brought by relatives of those who have killed themselves in stupid accidents in his autonomous cars. I think that's a FAR more risky technology from a financial point of view compared to rockets and spacecraft.

Edited because I spelled "rocket" as "racket" Far be it for me to accuse Elon Musk of financial impropriety.

Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 23 July 17:53

Sylvaforever

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98 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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rock and a hard place indeed Eric.

RobDickinson

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254 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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SpaceX completed a full cycle tet of a landed booster today, the JCSAT booster from May launch. 2min of fury, no RUD, looked good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZQY902xQcw

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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RobDickinson said:
SpaceX completed a full cycle tet of a landed booster today, the JCSAT booster from May launch. 2min of fury, no RUD, looked good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZQY902xQcw
Wow, so that sort of confirms they are good for a relaunch? What other systems might be broken?

Eric Mc

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Friday 29th July 2016
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Have they stated when they are going to launch something with a re-used booster?

Have they got a customer yet willing to put their payload on a recycled booster?

Beati Dogu

8,881 posts

139 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Supposedly this autumn, but no word on the payload yet.

Eric Mc

121,895 posts

265 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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I presume they'l be offering any customers a discount smile

MartG

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204 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Beati Dogu said:
Supposedly this autumn, but no word on the payload yet.
I'd heard they have several customers lined up to fly on reused boosters

Beati Dogu

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139 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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SES seem particularly keen. They operate a fleet of communications satellites including the ASTRA cluster that Sky use. SpaceX have already launched satellites for them before, the last one being back in March.

SpaceX currently charge $62 million per launch via a new Falcon 9 (for a 2018 schedule).

I imagine that $62m covers the total build cost of the rocket, so they really only have fuel, oxygen and overheads that need to be covered on subsequent launches.

Clearly, if they can reuse rockets successfully, they can start dropping that initial cost price.

MartG

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204 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Beati Dogu said:
SES seem particularly keen. They operate a fleet of communications satellites including the ASTRA cluster that Sky use. SpaceX have already launched satellites for them before, the last one being back in March.

SpaceX currently charge $62 million per launch via a new Falcon 9 (for a 2018 schedule).

I imagine that $62m covers the total build cost of the rocket, so they really only have fuel, oxygen and overheads that need to be covered on subsequent launches.

Clearly, if they can reuse rockets successfully, they can start dropping that initial cost price.
A lot will depend on how many times a booster can be reused - the more times then the lower the launch cost I'd guess, as the cost of manufacturing the booster would be spread across more launches

Flooble

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Friday 29th July 2016
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I'm sure I read somewhere they only think they will give about 30% off the price ... customers were hoping for 50%

MartG

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Friday 29th July 2016
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Flooble said:
I'm sure I read somewhere they only think they will give about 30% off the price ... customers were hoping for 50%
I think that's just their initial estimate based on a single reuse - it could be less if the booster can be reused 3 or more times

Beati Dogu

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139 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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30% is still a staggering saving by any standard and of course the second stage and fairings are brand new builds.

They're working on ways to recover the payload fairings, which we may start seeing soon. That alone would save a few million dollars per launch.

If they can get the hardware costs down by reuse, the beauty is that the cost of fuel and liquid oxygen are almost negligible in the scheme of things. Less than $250,000 per launch.

MartG

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Friday 29th July 2016
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NASA has ordered a second manned Dragon mission smile

http://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-orders-seco...

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

98 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Beat me to it Marti!

Sylvaforever

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Saturday 30th July 2016
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Couple of screen shots from launch video...











the white dot to the left of the bell vis the stage one doing it's return burns..

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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So SpaceX have shipped a full sized Raptor engine to Texas for testing.

This is a methane burning engine destined for the MCT, 'about' 500,000llbs of thrust supposedly ( equal to SSME's, 1/3rd the F1's on Saturn v's).

I think the plan for MCT is to launch with 30 of these!

MartG

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204 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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RobDickinson said:
I think the plan for MCT is to launch with 30 of these!
They're going to need a bigger barge ! biggrin


Though nothing firm has been released by SpaceX relating to the design of MCT, there are some 'speculative' images around...




RobDickinson

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254 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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Not only a new barge...

I assume they will only land the MCT 1st stage on land?

AFIk the pads they have for liftoff are only rated to 12,000,000llbs of thrust MCT will be 15,000,000 so they will need to build a new pad too
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