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Eric Mc

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Monday 18th July 2016
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The land landings are less risky in that the surface on which they are landing is nice and stable. The problem is that land landings are not always an option.

p1stonhead

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Monday 18th July 2016
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Its funny because obviously the lander doesnt need to 'see' like we do but I always think its more amazing when they do it in the dark hehe

Eric Mc

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Monday 18th July 2016
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It is "seeing" of course - only using radio waves (in the form of radar) and GPS systems to work out where it is and its altitude, rate of descent etc.

To be honest, for the past 40 plus years we have been landing craft on other planets using similar techniques - so doing it on earth should be possible. There are of course, specific issues with returning boosters to earth in one piece and I think SpaceX are doing a fantastic job.

scubadude

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197 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Eric Mc said:
It is "seeing" of course - only using radio waves (in the form of radar) and GPS systems to work out where it is and its altitude, rate of descent etc.

To be honest, for the past 40 plus years we have been landing craft on other planets using similar techniques - so doing it on earth should be possible. There are of course, specific issues with returning boosters to earth in one piece and I think SpaceX are doing a fantastic job.
Yup, I guess the only real difference is there a people here we can hit if we cock-up.

I still think the amazingly complex Mars Rover Skycrane landing takes the biscuit for most audacious landing ever, there was almost no chance of that all working properly :-)

Beati Dogu

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139 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Great to see another successful launch and landing. The Dragon capsule is working its way up the ISS and should be close enough for them to grapple on Wednesday, about midday. The Russians launched a rocket on Saturday with a Progress resupply capsule, which should be with the ISS on Tuesday evening.

In the post-mission press conference, Spacex's Hans Koenigsmann (VP of Flight Reliability) confirmed that they intend for the two side boosters of the Falcon 9 Heavy to return to land; The centre section either returns to land or continues on to the drone ship, depending on the mission profile.

outnumbered

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234 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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We're in Florida at the moment, and stayed up to watch the launch (walked 2 mins from the hotel onto Cocoa Beach!). Pretty impressive to watch, although it was fairly quiet (guess we were 15-20 miles from the launch site) until the double sonic boom as the first stage came down. We were far enough away that the boom arrived a few seconds after the thing had actually landed!

Really glad we saw it.

We spent Sunday at Kennedy Space Centre, which is amazing, changed a lot in the 20 years since I went before. The Atlantis exhibition is just superb.

Eric Mc

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265 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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On my "to do" list.

I'd really like to be there for the first SLS launch - if Hilary or Donald doesn't cancel it.

scubadude

2,618 posts

197 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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London424 said:
Getting 3 boosters to come back and land almost simultaneously will be something to see :-) At this rate SpaceX will need to rent more space to store all their Used rockets in!!

MartG

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204 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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Hmmm - I can see them doing this at some point, though it is an order of magnitude harder than recovering the 1st stage. The mass of the heatshield could be the killer I guess.

Maybe they could put them in a safe parking orbit instead, so they can be retrieved later and refuelled and used as boosters for the Mars ship

scubadude

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197 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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MartG said:
Hmmm - I can see them doing this at some point, though it is an order of magnitude harder than recovering the 1st stage. The mass of the heatshield could be the killer I guess.

Maybe they could put them in a safe parking orbit instead, so they can be retrieved later and refuelled and used as boosters for the Mars ship
SpaceX was tagged as a contributor in a paper examining the use of rocket trust as a heat shield, so you just reenter backwards with the throttle on idle and the thrust is sufficient to deflect the air/plasma around the craft... I haven't been able to find the link for a while though, makes me think someone was working on it :-)

MartG

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204 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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scubadude said:
MartG said:
Hmmm - I can see them doing this at some point, though it is an order of magnitude harder than recovering the 1st stage. The mass of the heatshield could be the killer I guess.

Maybe they could put them in a safe parking orbit instead, so they can be retrieved later and refuelled and used as boosters for the Mars ship
SpaceX was tagged as a contributor in a paper examining the use of rocket trust as a heat shield, so you just reenter backwards with the throttle on idle and the thrust is sufficient to deflect the air/plasma around the craft... I haven't been able to find the link for a while though, makes me think someone was working on it :-)
Philip Bono proposed doing it with an aerospike engine, feeding LH2 fuel through the base of the 'plug' to cool it during re-entry.



Eric Mc

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265 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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That takes me back - all described in this book -




MartG

20,675 posts

204 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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Eric Mc said:
That takes me back - all described in this book -

Is there much different between that edition and the earlier one ?


Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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Is there such a thing as a rocket throttle on "idle"?

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

98 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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And there are solids that can " throttle" too now...

Eric Mc

122,010 posts

265 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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MartG said:
Eric Mc said:
That takes me back - all described in this book -

Is there much different between that edition and the earlier one ?

I'm not sure. It's actually the earlier one that I used to borrow ad nauseum from my local library as a ten year old.

MartG

20,675 posts

204 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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Eric Mc said:
MartG said:
Eric Mc said:
That takes me back - all described in this book -

Is there much different between that edition and the earlier one ?

I'm not sure. It's actually the earlier one that I used to borrow ad nauseum from my local library as a ten year old.
I just bought one of the 'Revised Edition' one off ebay ( I may sell my spare 1st edition one biggrin ) so I can compare smile

LivingTheDream

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179 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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MartG

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Wednesday 20th July 2016
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LivingTheDream said:
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