Mobile phones dangers when used inside cars
Discussion
Serious question: Should PH have a "no new post" policy until the member has racked up enough sensible/nospam relies to other peoples threads??
I mean, these nutters (see OP) always have just a few posts to their name when they come and spam our lovely forum with there made up b*ll*cks, so surely we should be able to spot them easily?
I mean, these nutters (see OP) always have just a few posts to their name when they come and spam our lovely forum with there made up b*ll*cks, so surely we should be able to spot them easily?
Max_Torque said:
Serious question: Should PH have a "no new post" policy until the member has racked up enough sensible/nospam relies to other peoples threads??
I mean, these nutters (see OP) always have just a few posts to their name when they come and spam our lovely forum with there made up b*ll*cks, so surely we should be able to spot them easily?
Seems like a good call to me. Able to express an opinion by responding to posts but not start a totally bogus topic for "laughs". You'll need to start a topic in website feedback to suggest it.I mean, these nutters (see OP) always have just a few posts to their name when they come and spam our lovely forum with there made up b*ll*cks, so surely we should be able to spot them easily?
(Any of us could of course....but I'm too lazy).
rikNorad said:
Lot's of hate around here: i expressed my opinions always politelly and never offended anyone; and of course it was not a topic for "laughs"...naver thought that talking about a serious problem could provoke laughs. Can be easy to respond with the same level of worthlesness, but it's not my style. I worked around my project for quite a long time putting lots of efforts and getting cooperation from respected professors of known universities where not always professionals who were asked were able to respond at very special and unique questions.......who could ever imagine that in this forum i could meet so many professors and experts of everything......But here i am "spamming" with b
ks.....i should see a doc.....wtf, ok, no prob, game over. Just sorry because with some members the exchange of opinions could have been interesting.
Cheers
Oddly, there are people here who have an excellent grasp of the facts surrounding various types of 'radiation' as you so simplistically put it. ks.....i should see a doc.....wtf, ok, no prob, game over. Just sorry because with some members the exchange of opinions could have been interesting.Cheers
Edited by rikNorad on Monday 4th May 21:04
Edited by rikNorad on Monday 4th May 21:07
You have appeared out of the blue with some ancient, badly researched, non peer reviewed information. And presented it badly - difficult to read, bad grammar and spelling. The hallmarks of an enthusiastic new convert or obsessive, sadly.
Name names, for example, rather than just 'respected professors' and 'known universities'.
Did any of the Prof's you've been working with explain what a faraday cage was?
Did anyone explain causation vs correlation? How when posting a graph showing a big increase and you claim it supports your cause, it might be worth explaining why there is a big increase in the late 1970s when mobile phones weren't introduced until 1981 and weren't common until the mid 80s.
Did anyone explain causation vs correlation? How when posting a graph showing a big increase and you claim it supports your cause, it might be worth explaining why there is a big increase in the late 1970s when mobile phones weren't introduced until 1981 and weren't common until the mid 80s.
spikeyhead said:
it might be worth explaining why there is a big increase in the late 1970s when mobile phones weren't introduced until 1981 and weren't common until the mid 80s.
They weren't common until mid-90s for domestic use. Even in business I didn't see one until 1988.Now of course no-one can do anything without blathering into them 24 hours day.
I too am wary of the long term effects, not just physical but mental and social. It's just that the OP didn't express himself very well.
Edited by Simpo Two on Monday 4th May 22:00
rikNorad said:
Lot's of hate around here: i expressed my opinions always politelly and never offended anyone; and of course it was not a topic for "laughs"...naver thought that talking about a serious problem could provoke laughs. Can be easy to respond with the same level of worthlesness, but it's not my style. I worked around my project for quite a long time putting lots of efforts and getting cooperation from respected professors of known universities where not always professionals who were asked were able to respond at very special and unique questions.......who could ever imagine that in this forum i could meet so many professors and experts of everything......But here i am "spamming" with bks.....i should see a doc.....wtf, ok, no prob, game over. Just sorry because with some members the exchange of opinions could have been interesting.
Cheers
Here's a suggestion: Try and participate in our forum before attempting to start deliberately "controversial" threads.ks.....i should see a doc.....wtf, ok, no prob, game over. Just sorry because with some members the exchange of opinions could have been interesting.Cheers
Edited by rikNorad on Monday 4th May 21:04
Edited by rikNorad on Monday 4th May 21:07
Have a look at the post count of some of the people replying to this thread. They have taken their time, often over periods of YEARS, to give input, opinion, knowledge and support on a LOT of other threads. They didn't just turn up "out of the blue" and spout off a load of poorly written pseudo science (which incidentally just undermines any credibility you might have had otherwise) hoping that a load of strangers would just support/agree with them.
Like any social group, real or virtual, if you become a valued member, then you find people WILL listen to what you have to say. But trust and authority is earned and earned over time, you can't just appear, start one (trolling) thread then complain "oh, poor me, why isn't anyone taking me seriously". It's the equivalent of the nutters that stand in the street with a bill board over there shoulders warning "The end of the world is nigh" etc.....
One other fact, you might want to take into account:
PH is a forum is VERY smart people. We may be united by a love of cars, but we have a varied background, and you will find a lot of very knowledgeable and expert professionals on this site. Unlike a lot of other forums, throwing a few random "sciency" words into your text (like "faraday cage" or "radiation") won't cut the mustard here. You will get your bluff called by those people.
Agreed; the PH 'massive' is a formidable collection of knowledge and logic that has an astonishing abiity to get to the bottom of almost everything.
But that doesn't mean that someone with a post count of 2 is more stupid than someone with a post count of 20,000, or that their views are less valid. Just saying 'You're a newbie so we're going to belittle you' is not a healthy attitude. It's how you debate that counts, and we were all newbies once.
The OP hasn't helped himself by using terms such as 'radiations' but it doesn't mean he's wrong, he's just stumbled into a wolfpack
But that doesn't mean that someone with a post count of 2 is more stupid than someone with a post count of 20,000, or that their views are less valid. Just saying 'You're a newbie so we're going to belittle you' is not a healthy attitude. It's how you debate that counts, and we were all newbies once.
The OP hasn't helped himself by using terms such as 'radiations' but it doesn't mean he's wrong, he's just stumbled into a wolfpack
Edited by Simpo Two on Monday 4th May 22:41
Simpo Two said:
spikeyhead said:
it might be worth explaining why there is a big increase in the late 1970s when mobile phones weren't introduced until 1981 and weren't common until the mid 80s.
They weren't common until mid-90s for domestic use. Even in business I didn't see one until 1988.Now of course no-one can do anything without blathering into them 24 hours day.
I too am wary of the long term effects, not just physical but mental and social. It's just that the OP didn't express himself very well.
Edited by Simpo Two on Monday 4th May 22:00
Max_Torque said:
I mean, these nutters (see OP) always have just a few posts to their name when they come and spam our lovely forum with there made up b*ll*cks, so surely we should be able to spot them easily?
I'm quite happy to discuss with anyone and it will become obvious after a few exchanges whether they are serious or just trolling. If they are trolling then we should be sensible enough to ignore them and just let the thread die.I did offer the OP several opportunities before bailing out.
And yes it possibly is an idea to have a no new topic rule for the first month of membership?
Simpo Two said:
Agreed; the PH 'massive' is a formidable collection of knowledge and logic that has an astonishing abiity to get to the bottom of almost everything.
But that doesn't mean that someone with a post count of 2 is more stupid than someone with a post count of 20,000, or that their views are less valid. Just saying 'You're a newbie so we're going to belittle you' is not a healthy attitude. It's how you debate that counts, and we were all newbies once.
The OP hasn't helped himself by using terms such as 'radiations' but it doesn't mean he's wrong, he's just stumbled into a wolfpack
What a bizarre analysis. And the kind of postmodern relativism that suggests we should give all viewpoints equal parity even if they are manifestly bullsBut that doesn't mean that someone with a post count of 2 is more stupid than someone with a post count of 20,000, or that their views are less valid. Just saying 'You're a newbie so we're going to belittle you' is not a healthy attitude. It's how you debate that counts, and we were all newbies once.
The OP hasn't helped himself by using terms such as 'radiations' but it doesn't mean he's wrong, he's just stumbled into a wolfpack
Edited by Simpo Two on Monday 4th May 22:41
t. The guy took it on himself to post a load of unhinged, unscientific nonsense on the Internet and was rightly called out on it by people with relevant knowledge krunchkin said:
What a bizarre analysis. And the kind of postmodern relativism that suggests we should give all viewpoints equal parity even if they are manifestly bullst. The guy took it on himself to post a load of unhinged, unscientific nonsense on the Internet and was rightly called out on it by people with relevant knowledge
If you read my post again you may see that I'd moved from specific to general. This OP may be an idiot; I'm not making a judgement. But it does not mean that every newbie is an idiot.t. The guy took it on himself to post a load of unhinged, unscientific nonsense on the Internet and was rightly called out on it by people with relevant knowledge And using phrases like 'postmodern relativism' is just toss, sorry
The funniest part of all this discussion is that there is a great debate worldwide between scientists and experts about the dangers of mobile phone radiation (yes RADIATION, God knows what emR stand for.....) but here in this forum (thread) the only owners of the truth don't agree: and don't agree just because I used (supposedly) the wrong words..... Would be a better world if the great geniuses, instead of discrediting others opinions could give their useful contribution: but this is at the end the way most forums work, a few pack leaders go in one direction and the rest of the drove follow. Then who cares if there might be an interesting idea that worth listening: much better ridicule everything, even my grammar......without considering that english might not be my language; I am sure most of you talk 4/5 languages fluently. I gave my explanations, interesting links and answers to questions, but sadly and obviously you preferred go on bashing instead of reading (demo of that the statistics about Scandinavian countries) and proudly exposing the moron mentality “i have more posts so your * is shorter!!”
I use to say that I would exchange all my knowledge in change of a 1% of all what I don't know, and this is why I “appeared from the blue” asking for some feedback.....but it it didn't work out. I will try to survive with this.....if I can!
Love u all!
Would be a better world if the great geniuses, instead of discrediting others opinions could give their useful contribution: but this is at the end the way most forums work, a few pack leaders go in one direction and the rest of the drove follow. Then who cares if there might be an interesting idea that worth listening: much better ridicule everything, even my grammar......without considering that english might not be my language; I am sure most of you talk 4/5 languages fluently. I gave my explanations, interesting links and answers to questions, but sadly and obviously you preferred go on bashing instead of reading (demo of that the statistics about Scandinavian countries) and proudly exposing the moron mentality “i have more posts so your * is shorter!!”I use to say that I would exchange all my knowledge in change of a 1% of all what I don't know, and this is why I “appeared from the blue” asking for some feedback.....but it it didn't work out. I will try to survive with this.....if I can!
Love u all!
Edited by rikNorad on Tuesday 5th May 14:49
And again, typically, when asked to "prove" some of their claims, the poor old set upon OP troll just posts another long winded but meaningless diatribe that completely fails to address any of the points raised by their questioners.........
Now i realise the OP is never going to respond in a suitable fashion, but so we are all clear:
OP: You state that mobile phones are dangerous to use in vehicles because the vehicle acts as a faraday cage and traps the phones signal. Please show the mathematical proof of this assertion. (Hint, it's pretty basic physics)
If you cannot do this in your next reply, your case has no merit.
Now i realise the OP is never going to respond in a suitable fashion, but so we are all clear:
OP: You state that mobile phones are dangerous to use in vehicles because the vehicle acts as a faraday cage and traps the phones signal. Please show the mathematical proof of this assertion. (Hint, it's pretty basic physics)
If you cannot do this in your next reply, your case has no merit.
eldar said:
Max_Torque said:
Thread closed please Mods.
i think we can say it's run it's course........
Why close it? Seems rather spiteful to want that. Its clear the OP can't express himself with any lucidity, but nor can many other posters!i think we can say it's run it's course........
Where an OP starts a, deliberately sensational, thread, and then completely fails to discuss there assertions with the people responding i think it's safe to say the thread quickly becomes a pointless argument that only leads to hostility and bad feelings.
In this case, the OP has made the statement that mobile phones are dangerous in cars because the car "focuses" the phones electromagnetic emissions leading to injury.
An yet, when asked to show how they came to those assertions, the OP has given no evidence and simple spouts the "waffle" of so many internet trolls who don't really understand or know what they are talking about. In this case, the OP has been asked to show how a car can focus or trap EMR, and hasn't responded. They have been asked to show evidence for the injuries caused, and again, other than some irrelevant graphs they no doubt trawled up on Google, have shown no scientific data to support there case.
If this was the "General Gassing" room, well, fair enough, if you wanna spout b*ll*cks, go right ahead, but i for one would like the "Science" section to remain about real science, and not Tin Foil Mad Hattery!! (hmm, TFHM, sounds like a suitable acronym for future use ;-)
rikNorad said:
"When the wise man points at the Moon, the idiot looks at the finger."
I was not pointing at the moon, I was asking several basic questions concerning your observations, claims and the report you linking to. All of which remain unanswered and avoided.If anyone is looking at the finger it's not me.
I too would be happier in another language.
Over.
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