UFO - What Did I See?

[HewManHeMan]

jmorgan said:

You can boil many down to simple human frailties in observations. A windy turbine losing a blade had some claim UFO for gawds sake. Rather than look for the rational, the search will be on to fit it to ET, indeed hammer the round peg into the square hole as hard as they can.

Yeah but isn't this equally as interesting? I'm no tin-foil hat lunatic, but was miles from home, in a field in the pitch dark watching a meteor shower surrounded by angry (sounding) sheep. So, way out my comfort zone and feeling somewhat claustrophobic as a consequence of the wide open field contrast the total lack of ambient light. Whilst I know there's no wolves or bears out there, doesn't stop your mind from thinking 'what if?'

What I find bizarre is knowing the limitations of the mind in these circumstances, and that your observational skills are impeded by increased stress factors, then stopping to take stock, close your eyes (to adjust for light), re-evaluating the situation (run through the rational explanations) and still seeing... an unexplained red dot moving across the sky in a fashion that excludes it from being aircraft, BIRDS, satellite, meteor etc.

I did dismiss it as a Chinese Lantern but having seen them recently, I've ruled them out (hence the post here). That said, would a weather balloon be carrying a red light and massively affected by turbulent air?

[HewManHeMan]

Munter said:

Drone. Sent out played about a bit, and returned in a U shape to about where it came from.

Could be, but the U shape was massive. It would have landed miles (20+, easy) from its starting point.

Unless it was lost, fixed itself to an assumed stationary hover then was carried by the wind?

Edited by HewManHeMan on Thursday 17th September 10:53

[HewManHeMan]

Eric Mc said:

Listen to the first few minutes of this you tube clip ESPECIALLY to his take on the validity of single eyewitness evidence-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkjkh3OrjeA

Makes me thing of the Jeremy Beadle 'sketch'.... "Would you like a cup of tea???" Haha.

[Eric Mc]

What you have absolutely no way of really knowing is how distant the object was from you. It could have been an insect a few feet away - or an object hundreds of miles above you. In fact, some insects do actually glow as they carry internal phosphorescence - and they fly erratically.

As it was Scotland - maybe a glowing midge was what you saw.

Wishing something to be exotic doesn't actually MAKE it exotic.

[Simpo Two]

Eric beat me to it. If it was just a red dot moving at night, how did you determine height and speed? Might have been a fag end 25 yards away!

[remkingston]

Might be worth looking into the Terminator effect.

Its the same thing that makes our eyes see the moon and sun being the same distance away from ourselves when they are anything but.

[HewManHeMan]

Eric, I can't help but feel you've taken a remarkably aggressive stance here.

I wasn't wishing 'it' to be anything. The Mars line was a joke. I'm not taking this entirely seriously.

That said, you're working from 'them', aren't you?

[HewManHeMan]

remkingston said:

Might be worth looking into the Terminator effect.

Its the same thing that makes our eyes see the moon and sun being the same distance away from ourselves when they are anything but.

I'm Googling that now! Thanks.

Also going to look at insects that carry internal phosphorescence, but don't tell Eric because he's being grumpy (if it can be explained by that, I'm considering this thread a win)

[Eric Mc]

Or a moth?

[HewManHeMan]

Eric Mc said:

Or a moth?

We know who you are, Eric.

[Eric Mc]

Firefly?

[jmorgan]

HewManHeMan said:

jmorgan said:

You can boil many down to simple human frailties in observations. A windy turbine losing a blade had some claim UFO for gawds sake. Rather than look for the rational, the search will be on to fit it to ET, indeed hammer the round peg into the square hole as hard as they can.

Yeah but isn't this equally as interesting? I'm no tin-foil hat lunatic, but was miles from home, in a field in the pitch dark watching a meteor shower surrounded by angry (sounding) sheep. So, way out my comfort zone and feeling somewhat claustrophobic as a consequence of the wide open field contrast the total lack of ambient light. Whilst I know there's no wolves or bears out there, doesn't stop your mind from thinking 'what if?'

What I find bizarre is knowing the limitations of the mind in these circumstances, and that your observational skills are impeded by increased stress factors, then stopping to take stock, close your eyes (to adjust for light), re-evaluating the situation (run through the rational explanations) and still seeing... an unexplained red dot moving across the sky in a fashion that excludes it from being aircraft, BIRDS, satellite, meteor etc.

I did dismiss it as a Chinese Lantern but having seen them recently, I've ruled them out (hence the post here). That said, would a weather balloon be carrying a red light and massively affected by turbulent air?

That was more a reply to the other conversation starting. But in the main it is interesting. Much like that test on QI where a miscreant stole something and they could not get the identity right when the line up was there. Humans are quite varied at what they observe. Believe it or not the planet Venus is cause of near accidents (and probably some accidents).

I would never say there are no aliens visiting Earth, just that the odds are against it as we stand at the moment and looking at the tools we have to work with, i.e. us humans, there is plenty of room for the mundane.

FWIW I have seen lanterns making good progress when the wind was still at my location and that did turbine blade was interesting when you watched it develop, there was a fire works display in the area so it was a many tentacled alien at one point that ripped it apart, even top secret stealth aircraft. The final inquest was failed bolts holding it on, but the owner of the site did nothing to put off the rumours seeing as all the free pub;licit he was getting for his firm.

And watch out for them marauding baa baa's, they are sneaky.

[HewManHeMan]

Eric Mc said:

Firefly?

You've been rumbled, Eric.

[HewManHeMan]

jmorgan said:

HewManHeMan said:

jmorgan said:

You can boil many down to simple human frailties in observations. A windy turbine losing a blade had some claim UFO for gawds sake. Rather than look for the rational, the search will be on to fit it to ET, indeed hammer the round peg into the square hole as hard as they can.

Yeah but isn't this equally as interesting? I'm no tin-foil hat lunatic, but was miles from home, in a field in the pitch dark watching a meteor shower surrounded by angry (sounding) sheep. So, way out my comfort zone and feeling somewhat claustrophobic as a consequence of the wide open field contrast the total lack of ambient light. Whilst I know there's no wolves or bears out there, doesn't stop your mind from thinking 'what if?'

What I find bizarre is knowing the limitations of the mind in these circumstances, and that your observational skills are impeded by increased stress factors, then stopping to take stock, close your eyes (to adjust for light), re-evaluating the situation (run through the rational explanations) and still seeing... an unexplained red dot moving across the sky in a fashion that excludes it from being aircraft, BIRDS, satellite, meteor etc.

I did dismiss it as a Chinese Lantern but having seen them recently, I've ruled them out (hence the post here). That said, would a weather balloon be carrying a red light and massively affected by turbulent air?

That was more a reply to the other conversation starting. But in the main it is interesting. Much like that test on QI where a miscreant stole something and they could not get the identity right when the line up was there. Humans are quite varied at what they observe. Believe it or not the planet Venus is cause of near accidents (and probably some accidents).

I would never say there are no aliens visiting Earth, just that the odds are against it as we stand at the moment and looking at the tools we have to work with, i.e. us humans, there is plenty of room for the mundane.

FWIW I have seen lanterns making good progress when the wind was still at my location and that did turbine blade was interesting when you watched it develop, there was a fire works display in the area so it was a many tentacled alien at one point that ripped it apart, even top secret stealth aircraft. The final inquest was failed bolts holding it on, but the owner of the site did nothing to put off the rumours seeing as all the free pub;licit he was getting for his firm.

And watch out for them marauding baa baa's, they are sneaky.

This I find really interesting;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

i.e. Aliens not visiting is stranger than Aliens visiting, given the age and scope of the universe.

[jmorgan]

Niburu is whole subject in stupid in its own right and quite interesrting watching the people try to spoof it up followed by the true believers. I realise that is a joke above.

[jmorgan]

HewManHeMan said:

This I find really interesting;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

i.e. Aliens not visiting is stranger than Aliens visiting, given the age and scope of the universe.

Well, depends, (it is interesting yes). It may be the norm. Until we meet one, or they try to wipe us out and they get a computer virus in a strange set of happening, that is just a theory. Stars need to chuck out the right stuff for life to happen and that takes time. So maybe we are the first? Maybe travel is just too much and we will never meet.

Edit. I think we will find life but through observation of a planets spectra rather than in person.

Edited by jmorgan on Thursday 17th September 11:42

[Eric Mc]

For a chap who claims to be indifferent to the "woo woo" factor - the links you are finding suggest otherwise.

[HewManHeMan]

Eric Mc said:

For a chap who claims to be indifferent to the "woo woo" factor - the links you are finding suggest otherwise.

Not buying into tin foil hat nonsense doesn't mean you have to be ignorant of it.

I don't believe The Lizard People are forming the New World Order, but I'm still aware of the it. Why not? It's hilarious. Well, it is when people genuinely believe it.

Just to clarify, if my Alien Red Dot can be explained by an insect I'd be over the moon (not literally, obviously - not without being abducted - which clearly isn't on the cards : ( In the same sense that posting a picture of a deep sea fish on Facebook, claiming it to be proof of ET, would blow peoples minds; what we have here on Earth, right in front of us, is often far more exotic than what people WANT to believe exists in outer space.

And this often baffles me; you can keep a marine fish tank that contains the most other worldly creatures you couldn't even imagine in your front room, alive and healthy, and it's the imaginary creatures on Mars that people are wanting to exist. Ditto religion; there's folk out there clambering over themselves to seek answers from a God when there's 'Science' offering far more relevant answer and, more importantly, questions... Why do people look to their ill-advised imaginations when there's a vast amount of tangible data and research offering far more fulfilling pursuits?!

... ramble ramble ramble.

[Eric Mc]

Being aware that a lunatic asylum exists doesn't make one liable to become an inmate.

[HewManHeMan]

jmorgan said:

HewManHeMan said:

This I find really interesting;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

i.e. Aliens not visiting is stranger than Aliens visiting, given the age and scope of the universe.

Well, depends, (it is interesting yes). It may be the norm. Until we meet one, or they try to wipe us out and they get a computer virus in a strange set of happening, that is just a theory. Stars need to chuck out the right stuff for life to happen and that takes time. So maybe we are the first? Maybe travel is just too much and we will never meet.

Edit. I think we will find life but through observation of a planets spectra rather than in person.

Edited by jmorgan on Thursday 17th September 11:42

Mate, I'm posting this from a MacBook. I'm ready for an alien invasion (even went for the 2014 model to ensure it had USB connectivity - imagine getting up there and finding they haven't setup AirDrop?! You'd be furious)