Have you ever seen a UFO?
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Derek Smith said:
The dinosaurs were more successful than any other 'type', with the exception of insects. Certainly more than mammals which didn't crawl out of holes until an asteroid killed all the dinosaurs. I accept that they must have been daft as you'd have thought some of them would have ducked.
There is a lot to support cold blood. Let's face it, 165 million years they lasted and it took 100 trillion tons of TNT to topple their rule.
Not quite the story. There is a lot to support cold blood. Let's face it, 165 million years they lasted and it took 100 trillion tons of TNT to topple their rule.
Mammals evolved alongside the dinosaurs. Indeed, their ancestry comes from a common line that split - one becoming dinosaurs, the other mammals. Mammals were extremely successful and survived in thousands, if not millions, of species throughout the 250 million year dinosaur era. The issue is the ecological niches they were able to exploit.
Dinosaurs evolved into niches which favoured larger land dwelling animals (although there were lots of small dinosaurs too) and this effectively blocked off those niches from mammals. However, it is obvious that the mammals exploited many alternative niches that were unavailable to dinosaurs - and did so very successfully for a very long time.
When, for whatever reasons, the dinosaurs died out, mammals fanned out into the niches left vacant by the dinosaurs.
Both what?
You are not comparing like with like.
The Coelacanth is a single species of fish. Dinosaurs and mammals are not single species. They are each a class of animal.
If you want to compare like with like, you have to say "fish have been around longer than dinosaurs or mammals" - which, of course, is logical because they evolved first - and some fish species later evolved into land dwelling animals - some of which gave rise to dinosaurs and mammals, eventually.
You are not comparing like with like.
The Coelacanth is a single species of fish. Dinosaurs and mammals are not single species. They are each a class of animal.
If you want to compare like with like, you have to say "fish have been around longer than dinosaurs or mammals" - which, of course, is logical because they evolved first - and some fish species later evolved into land dwelling animals - some of which gave rise to dinosaurs and mammals, eventually.
towser said:
At the risk of ridicule....here's my UFO "experience" - not saying it's little green men or anything, but always wondered what I saw.
Crisp winter morning, perfect blue sky.
Over the sea spotted a glowing circular object move across the horizon. The object was made up of concentric rings of different coloured light - no other features visible - then again it would have been at least a mile distant - so would have been hard pushed to see anything!!
Object comes to a halt.
3 smaller circular objects appear one after the other from the rear of the larger object and stop in an equally spaced row behind the larger object. These smaller objects were also made up of concentric rings of colored light.
Then all 4 objects move off keeping the same lined up formation until they disappeared from view.
Thoughts???
Possibly naughty/slut angels, travelling down to the earth realm. The smaller rings that appeared were them actually giving birth down here out of the way of the 'snitch' archangels who would of grassed them straight up to God for their less than angelic behaviour.Crisp winter morning, perfect blue sky.
Over the sea spotted a glowing circular object move across the horizon. The object was made up of concentric rings of different coloured light - no other features visible - then again it would have been at least a mile distant - so would have been hard pushed to see anything!!
Object comes to a halt.
3 smaller circular objects appear one after the other from the rear of the larger object and stop in an equally spaced row behind the larger object. These smaller objects were also made up of concentric rings of colored light.
Then all 4 objects move off keeping the same lined up formation until they disappeared from view.
Thoughts???
Edited by towser on Wednesday 6th January 16:36
Edited by towser on Wednesday 6th January 16:37
Eric Mc said:
Both what?
You are not comparing like with like.
The Coelacanth is a single species of fish. Dinosaurs and mammals are not single species. They are each a class of animal.
If you want to compare like with like, you have to say "fish have been around longer than dinosaurs or mammals" - which, of course, is logical because they evolved first - and some fish species later evolved into land dwelling animals - some of which gave rise to dinosaurs and mammals, eventually.
You don't have to compare like with like. Dinosaurs are no longer here, the Coelacanth is. Mammals are still here but have not been going as long as this one fish.You are not comparing like with like.
The Coelacanth is a single species of fish. Dinosaurs and mammals are not single species. They are each a class of animal.
If you want to compare like with like, you have to say "fish have been around longer than dinosaurs or mammals" - which, of course, is logical because they evolved first - and some fish species later evolved into land dwelling animals - some of which gave rise to dinosaurs and mammals, eventually.
The fact one species beats two types of creature is even more impressive. Of course there are things with an even longer existence.
Gandahar said:
You don't have to compare like with like. Dinosaurs are no longer here, the Coelacanth is. Mammals are still here but have not been going as long as this one fish.
The fact one species beats two types of creature is even more impressive. Of course there are things with an even longer existence.
What does that even mean? So what if that particular niche/environment has existed for a long time.The fact one species beats two types of creature is even more impressive. Of course there are things with an even longer existence.
By definition, later evolving branches of life have not been around as long as earlier branches of life, so they cannot "beat" anything.
size said:
towser said:
At the risk of ridicule....here's my UFO "experience" - not saying it's little green men or anything, but always wondered what I saw.
Crisp winter morning, perfect blue sky.
Over the sea spotted a glowing circular object move across the horizon. The object was made up of concentric rings of different coloured light - no other features visible - then again it would have been at least a mile distant - so would have been hard pushed to see anything!!
Object comes to a halt.
3 smaller circular objects appear one after the other from the rear of the larger object and stop in an equally spaced row behind the larger object. These smaller objects were also made up of concentric rings of colored light.
Then all 4 objects move off keeping the same lined up formation until they disappeared from view.
Thoughts???
Possibly naughty/slut angels, travelling down to the earth realm. The smaller rings that appeared were them actually giving birth down here out of the way of the 'snitch' archangels who would of grassed them straight up to God for their less than angelic behaviour.Crisp winter morning, perfect blue sky.
Over the sea spotted a glowing circular object move across the horizon. The object was made up of concentric rings of different coloured light - no other features visible - then again it would have been at least a mile distant - so would have been hard pushed to see anything!!
Object comes to a halt.
3 smaller circular objects appear one after the other from the rear of the larger object and stop in an equally spaced row behind the larger object. These smaller objects were also made up of concentric rings of colored light.
Then all 4 objects move off keeping the same lined up formation until they disappeared from view.
Thoughts???
Edited by towser on Wednesday 6th January 16:36
Edited by towser on Wednesday 6th January 16:37
Catatafish said:
Gandahar said:
You don't have to compare like with like. Dinosaurs are no longer here, the Coelacanth is. Mammals are still here but have not been going as long as this one fish.
The fact one species beats two types of creature is even more impressive. Of course there are things with an even longer existence.
What does that even mean? So what if that particular niche/environment has existed for a long time.The fact one species beats two types of creature is even more impressive. Of course there are things with an even longer existence.
By definition, later evolving branches of life have not been around as long as earlier branches of life, so they cannot "beat" anything.
PS I don't think the oceans can be considered a niche
The coelacanth is a fish. Fish have been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals. Therefore it is not really surprsing that some fish species have been around for a very, very long time
Sharks also - for the same reason.
Reptiles have also been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals. That's why crocodiles have been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals as they evolved from reptiles that were already in existence before dinosaurs and mammals arrived on the scene.
If a line of animal evolves first, then there is a good chance that one species in that line of animals might hang around longer than a species that evolves from a branch of animals that evolves later.
The story of the coelacanth is not that it survived for such a long time - it's not altogether unique in that - but that it was thought to have been extinct. Before the 1930s the only examples were known from the fossil record. A living one was hauled up by fishermen in the 1930s and that was a real surprise. The reason why they were so rarely seen was because they live in the ocean depths - which humans didn't really start having access to until the 20 th century.
There may yet be more "living fossils" to be revealed as we learn more about the deep oceans.
And of course the ocean is classified as a "niche". When talking about biology, a "niche" is a part of the ecological environment exploited by life. The ocean was the niche where life first began and it is a big niche - but it is still a niche.
Sharks also - for the same reason.
Reptiles have also been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals. That's why crocodiles have been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals as they evolved from reptiles that were already in existence before dinosaurs and mammals arrived on the scene.
If a line of animal evolves first, then there is a good chance that one species in that line of animals might hang around longer than a species that evolves from a branch of animals that evolves later.
The story of the coelacanth is not that it survived for such a long time - it's not altogether unique in that - but that it was thought to have been extinct. Before the 1930s the only examples were known from the fossil record. A living one was hauled up by fishermen in the 1930s and that was a real surprise. The reason why they were so rarely seen was because they live in the ocean depths - which humans didn't really start having access to until the 20 th century.
There may yet be more "living fossils" to be revealed as we learn more about the deep oceans.
And of course the ocean is classified as a "niche". When talking about biology, a "niche" is a part of the ecological environment exploited by life. The ocean was the niche where life first began and it is a big niche - but it is still a niche.
Eric Mc said:
The coelacanth is a fish. Fish have been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals. Therefore it is not really surprsing that some fish species have been around for a very, very long time
Sharks also - for the same reason.
Reptiles have also been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals. That's why crocodiles have been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals as they evolved from reptiles that were already in existence before dinosaurs and mammals arrived on the scene.
If a line of animal evolves first, then there is a good chance that one species in that line of animals might hang around longer than a species that evolves from a branch of animals that evolves later.
The story of the coelacanth is not that it survived for such a long time - it's not altogether unique in that - but that it was thought to have been extinct. Before the 1930s the only examples were known from the fossil record. A living one was hauled up by fishermen in the 1930s and that was a real surprise. The reason why they were so rarely seen was because they live in the ocean depths - which humans didn't really start having access to until the 20 th century.
There may yet be more "living fossils" to be revealed as we learn more about the deep oceans.
And of course the ocean is classified as a "niche". When talking about biology, a "niche" is a part of the ecological environment exploited by life. The ocean was the niche where life first began and it is a big niche - but it is still a niche.
So in summary my assertion is correct, the Coelacanth has existed longer than both mammals and dinosaurs and you agree with me.Sharks also - for the same reason.
Reptiles have also been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals. That's why crocodiles have been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals as they evolved from reptiles that were already in existence before dinosaurs and mammals arrived on the scene.
If a line of animal evolves first, then there is a good chance that one species in that line of animals might hang around longer than a species that evolves from a branch of animals that evolves later.
The story of the coelacanth is not that it survived for such a long time - it's not altogether unique in that - but that it was thought to have been extinct. Before the 1930s the only examples were known from the fossil record. A living one was hauled up by fishermen in the 1930s and that was a real surprise. The reason why they were so rarely seen was because they live in the ocean depths - which humans didn't really start having access to until the 20 th century.
There may yet be more "living fossils" to be revealed as we learn more about the deep oceans.
And of course the ocean is classified as a "niche". When talking about biology, a "niche" is a part of the ecological environment exploited by life. The ocean was the niche where life first began and it is a big niche - but it is still a niche.
See, that took a lot less typing.
Gandahar said:
Eric Mc said:
The coelacanth is a fish. Fish have been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals. Therefore it is not really surprsing that some fish species have been around for a very, very long time
Sharks also - for the same reason.
Reptiles have also been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals. That's why crocodiles have been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals as they evolved from reptiles that were already in existence before dinosaurs and mammals arrived on the scene.
If a line of animal evolves first, then there is a good chance that one species in that line of animals might hang around longer than a species that evolves from a branch of animals that evolves later.
The story of the coelacanth is not that it survived for such a long time - it's not altogether unique in that - but that it was thought to have been extinct. Before the 1930s the only examples were known from the fossil record. A living one was hauled up by fishermen in the 1930s and that was a real surprise. The reason why they were so rarely seen was because they live in the ocean depths - which humans didn't really start having access to until the 20 th century.
There may yet be more "living fossils" to be revealed as we learn more about the deep oceans.
And of course the ocean is classified as a "niche". When talking about biology, a "niche" is a part of the ecological environment exploited by life. The ocean was the niche where life first began and it is a big niche - but it is still a niche.
So in summary my assertion is correct, the Coelacanth has existed longer than both mammals and dinosaurs and you agree with me.Sharks also - for the same reason.
Reptiles have also been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals. That's why crocodiles have been around longer than dinosaurs and mammals as they evolved from reptiles that were already in existence before dinosaurs and mammals arrived on the scene.
If a line of animal evolves first, then there is a good chance that one species in that line of animals might hang around longer than a species that evolves from a branch of animals that evolves later.
The story of the coelacanth is not that it survived for such a long time - it's not altogether unique in that - but that it was thought to have been extinct. Before the 1930s the only examples were known from the fossil record. A living one was hauled up by fishermen in the 1930s and that was a real surprise. The reason why they were so rarely seen was because they live in the ocean depths - which humans didn't really start having access to until the 20 th century.
There may yet be more "living fossils" to be revealed as we learn more about the deep oceans.
And of course the ocean is classified as a "niche". When talking about biology, a "niche" is a part of the ecological environment exploited by life. The ocean was the niche where life first began and it is a big niche - but it is still a niche.
See, that took a lot less typing.
Of course the coelacanth has been around longer than land dwelling animals. So have lots of other fish. It's not that big a deal.
that sounds like deliberate stall drills by someone training in a little piper or suchlike. I had to perform exactly the same drills when training for my private pilot's license.
you basically throttle the plane right down to slow it down. at that point you have to lower your ailerons ( the flaps on the backs of the wings) to maintain lift. you get to a point where there just isn't enough lift no matter what you do and the plane basically starts to fall from the sky. it tends to dip to one side and fall in much the same manner you describe.
to correct this you open the ailerons back out, full throttle and pull slowly out of the dive. rinse and repeat a few times. this is regular training for ppl's and what you describe fits the bill exactly
you basically throttle the plane right down to slow it down. at that point you have to lower your ailerons ( the flaps on the backs of the wings) to maintain lift. you get to a point where there just isn't enough lift no matter what you do and the plane basically starts to fall from the sky. it tends to dip to one side and fall in much the same manner you describe.
to correct this you open the ailerons back out, full throttle and pull slowly out of the dive. rinse and repeat a few times. this is regular training for ppl's and what you describe fits the bill exactly
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/aug/21/sea...
They should check out this thread, seems the above have been sighted here too :-)
Does a story about a mass UFO sighting in the 1700's ring any bells? IIRC a number of UFOs came down from the skies and went below the water, water boils,
Crafts surface, aliens carry out repairs then fly off. Hundreds of witnesses, made the front page of local newspaper. Just one example of millions. They can't all be certifiable.
I also recall something about the van Allen belt and humpback whales? Same frequencies or same noise produced by both?
Certainly plausible advanced civilization's would want to study us. Simply impossible that we are alone, the multi billions of stars out there. Blows my mind to think the Wright brothers first flew in 1903, then in 69' the sr-71 made it's first flight.
People are just to blind to see. To consumed with owning the latest crap. Far too much evidence out there to just deny it all so easily. I admit I love a good conspiracy but you cannot deny the possibility.
Has anyone watched the KGB book of alien races youtube videos? Very entertaining! Cattle/people mutilations and abductions. Beats tv any day!
They should check out this thread, seems the above have been sighted here too :-)
Does a story about a mass UFO sighting in the 1700's ring any bells? IIRC a number of UFOs came down from the skies and went below the water, water boils,
Crafts surface, aliens carry out repairs then fly off. Hundreds of witnesses, made the front page of local newspaper. Just one example of millions. They can't all be certifiable.
I also recall something about the van Allen belt and humpback whales? Same frequencies or same noise produced by both?
Certainly plausible advanced civilization's would want to study us. Simply impossible that we are alone, the multi billions of stars out there. Blows my mind to think the Wright brothers first flew in 1903, then in 69' the sr-71 made it's first flight.
People are just to blind to see. To consumed with owning the latest crap. Far too much evidence out there to just deny it all so easily. I admit I love a good conspiracy but you cannot deny the possibility.
Has anyone watched the KGB book of alien races youtube videos? Very entertaining! Cattle/people mutilations and abductions. Beats tv any day!
i am 100% convinced that there is abundant life out there.
i think intelligent life would be a much, much rarer commodity, given the incredible amounts of twists and turns in this planet's history that have allowed just the right environment for us to thrive.
if we are ever going to be visited by alien civilizations it would be unmanned machines , not little green men that would find us......
.....and then we get to the fermi paradox.......so where is all the evidence of these alien deep space probes??
i think intelligent life would be a much, much rarer commodity, given the incredible amounts of twists and turns in this planet's history that have allowed just the right environment for us to thrive.
if we are ever going to be visited by alien civilizations it would be unmanned machines , not little green men that would find us......
.....and then we get to the fermi paradox.......so where is all the evidence of these alien deep space probes??
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