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Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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Eric Mc said:
The sail certainly could be used as a communications dish. Obviously, they would need a certain amount of electrical power to allow the transmissions to be received back on earth at the great distances involved.

Traditionally, outer Solar System probes such as the Voyagers, Cassini, New Horizons etc have used Radioactive Thermal Generators (RTGs) to do this but I doubt they'll be able to make a nano-RTG (although you never know). I reckon the power will come from the laser signal itself.

For the record, the RTGs on the two Voyagers have now been operating successfully for the best part of 40 years - so that would enable an RTG to power a probe that could reach Alpha Centauri in the time scale envisaged by this project.
Just seen on http://breakthroughinitiatives.org/Challenges/3 that they plan to use Plutonium or Americium "batteries".

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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i.e. a nano RTG smile

FunkyNige

8,883 posts

275 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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SpeckledJim said:
I must be missing something here, but how does a laser fired from one part of a space-craft into another part of the same space-craft result in a net force in one direction?
Separate spacecraft from what I understand, the one with the laser on stays here.

superlightr

12,856 posts

263 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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FunkyNige said:
Separate spacecraft from what I understand, the one with the laser on stays here.
wont that push the earth a bit? alter our orbit slighly? atomic clocks will need resetting etc

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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superlightr said:
wont that push the earth a bit? alter our orbit slighly? atomic clocks will need resetting etc
Theoretical maximum efficiency for a photon rocket is 300MWN^-1, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, given that the mass of the earth is 5.98 × 10^24 kg.

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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superlightr said:
FunkyNige said:
Separate spacecraft from what I understand, the one with the laser on stays here.
wont that push the earth a bit? alter our orbit slighly? atomic clocks will need resetting etc
I'd be impressed if we had any instrument capable of measuring the alteration to the earth's position. A stray meteorite would do more to adjust our orbit.

Toaster

2,939 posts

193 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Eric Mc said:
as far as we can see, it will be entirely funded privately, so nobody's taxes will be getting spent on it.
I guess its OK for the nice cuddly venture capatalists to spend their money in this way.

Simpo Two

85,422 posts

265 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Toaster said:
I guess its OK for the nice cuddly venture capatalists to spend their money in this way.
They could give you some money for spelling lessons wink

Wherever their money goes, it goes back to people.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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someone has a fking huge chip on their shoulder to be pissing on this.

Toaster

2,939 posts

193 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Simpo Two said:
They could give you some money for spelling lessons wink

Wherever their money goes, it goes back to people.
Indeed spelling lessons are a good thing, let us know when you have perfected the art and never make a spelling, punctuation or grammatical mistake simpo two ( I suspect it would never happen) wink

But where do you think the money came from in the first place and they (venture capitalists) look to make more out of it than they put in to it so its naive to think its all altruistic

Edited by Toaster on Thursday 14th April 00:24

Toaster

2,939 posts

193 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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RobDickinson said:
someone has a fking huge chip on their shoulder to be pissing on this.
Not really just pointing out its not personal money I haven't said it shouldn't be done so how is that pissing on anything?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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its not your money so whats the problem?

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

212 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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How can anyone have a problem with someone spending money on something to advance the knowledge in any of the fields of science?!!

Toaster

2,939 posts

193 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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RobDickinson said:
its not your money so whats the problem?
Really ? how do you think venture capitalists make money.......from you and me how is that different from a government investment which uses tax?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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jammy_basturd said:
How can anyone have a problem with someone spending money on something to advance the knowledge in any of the fields of science?!!
Yu have to wonder dont you. Toaster seems to be a full on total troll.

Toaster

2,939 posts

193 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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jammy_basturd said:
How can anyone have a problem with someone spending money on something to advance the knowledge in any of the fields of science?!!
I did not say there is a problem with investment in Science

Toaster

2,939 posts

193 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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RobDickinson said:
Yu have to wonder dont you. Toaster seems to be a full on total troll.
Carefull Simpo Two will have you for the spelling mistake, and if it was Tax payers money being invested in the Science that wouldn't be a bad thing either which is what I was saying its not private money the money has been raised through business and that means we all contribute. This is either done by paying taxes or buy a company profiting from people buying stuff that money wasn't magically made buy wishful thinking.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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You have a warped way of looking at this.

He makes money.

DO YOU MAKE MONEY?

I bet you do. Or do you live off the state?

He doesnt have to contribute to this. He could just sit on his fortune and do nothing

What have you done to advance science? I bet fk all.

Toaster

2,939 posts

193 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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RobDickinson said:
1 You have a warped way of looking at this.

2 He makes money.

3 DO YOU MAKE MONEY?

4I bet you do. Or do you live off the state?

5)He doesnt have to contribute to this. He could just sit on his fortune and do nothing

6) What have you done to advance science? I bet fk all.
1 probably
2 oh lots by the look of it and set to make more
3 Capitals make you look like shouting, and yes I do
4 a) Yes and b) it wouldn't be fun
5) I suspect its not just a 0 return but I could be wrong
6) Oh indeed I have so no you are not correct in the fk all assumption

7) Edited to say its not wrong for Taxpayers money to go to the advancement of Science which is where I was actually trying to respond just because its 'private' venture capitalist money doesn't make it all good






Edited by Toaster on Thursday 14th April 01:04

Catweazle

1,159 posts

142 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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