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Toaster said:
why not also take the option of being exposed to the same level of Radiation the research says you will be harmful
If it gets me a trip to the moon, then damn yeah. Potential cost vs potential benefit. Just sit on Earth and allow myself to be hung by my tail and irradiated by "scientists"? Nah, I'll pass on that one thanks.Einion Yrth said:
If it gets me a trip to the moon, then damn yeah. Potential cost vs potential benefit. Just sit on Earth and allow myself to be hung by my tail and irradiated by "scientists"; nah I'll pass on that one thanks.
Fair enough at least your accepting the danger rather than denying the science, though I think you need to double check that you have a tail Eric Mc said:
OK I guess what you are saying is that a proper Science paper is too much for you to handle or critically evaluate. I suspect you are only an observer of the end result of scientific endeavours rather than a participant...Scientific acumen isn't for everyone its not a bad thing. Toaster said:
Einion Yrth said:
If it gets me a trip to the moon, then damn yeah. Potential cost vs potential benefit. Just sit on Earth and allow myself to be hung by my tail and irradiated by "scientists"; nah I'll pass on that one thanks.
Fair enough at least your accepting the danger rather than denying the science, though I think you need to double check that you have a tail study said:
Mice were hindlimb unloaded via tail traction for 14 days according to the methods of Morey-Holton et al.
As a, presumed, analog for microgravity, this looks like animal cruelty. And yes I know it's a common technique, but shall we say that I am unconvinced as to its validity.Einion Yrth said:
As a, presumed, analog for microgravity, this looks like animal cruelty. And yes I know it's a common technique, but shall we say that I am unconvinced as to its validity.
I agree with the animal cruelty piece but take that up with the relevant authorities, no I didn't miss the reference and its right to question if the effect is the same (possibly possibly not) you would need to email the researchers to ask that one but you could be right and that as I am sure your aware is part of a critical reading and analysing a paper but maybe in their world its an acceptable practice, until the experiment can be re-tested on mice in deep space. Your response is far deeper than the nonsense that comes from some other usual posters
I still reckon you don't have a tail though, and good luck with the benefit/risk stuff on your moon mission you have been notified of the danger
Toaster said:
You do have a view or your would not feel the need to comment
I commented that I don't have a view. And I still don't.Toaster said:
and the comment you have made is not one that supports a scientific argument beyond "i don't understand"
Actually, it supports the scientific argument 'I can't be bothered'.Toaster said:
A statistical model called ANOVA was run and the results published. You can re-run the maths and re-run the experiment or you can proceed to conduct your own Scientific ctitical analysis.
If you're trying to dazzle with me 'ANOVA' I presume it's short for analysis of variance, something I did in first year stats.Toaster said:
But whatever this does appear to be a good review of the current evidence, now if you think its lies the why not also take the option of being exposed to the same level of Radiation the research says you will be harmful
That's a facile argument; there's no reward. And if there was a rocket ready to go to Mars, it wouldn't be short of volunteers regardless of the risks.Simpo Two said:
I commented that I don't have a view. And I still don't.
Clearly you do as per your comments belowToaster said:
and the comment you have made is not one that supports a scientific argument beyond "i don't understand"
Simpo Two said:
Actually, it supports the scientific argument 'I can't be bothered'.
Clearly a perspective and a viewToaster said:
A statistical model called ANOVA was run and the results published. You can re-run the maths and re-run the experiment or you can proceed to conduct your own Scientific ctitical analysis.
Simpo Two said:
If you're trying to dazzle with me 'ANOVA' I presume it's short for analysis of variance, something I did in first year stats.
Then you will know the significance and validity and again a perspective as for dazzle it wasn't me who used the ANOVA go and take it up with the research team for being so blatant with its use.Toaster said:
But whatever this does appear to be a good review of the current evidence, now if you think its lies the why not also take the option of being exposed to the same level of Radiation the research says you will be harmful
Simpo Two said:
That's a facile argument; there's no reward. And if there was a rocket ready to go to Mars, it wouldn't be short of volunteers regardless of the risks.
For someone who doesn't hold any views and can't be bothered you do seem to have quite a lot to say. I am assuming that the research is showing that more shielding is required to help protect the humans that eventually do travel out thier and it also shows that if humans were to populate another planet a lot of thought will have to be given just to this one subject.Very well, my view is that I don't have a view. Satisfied?
Toaster said:
I am assuming that the research is showing that more shielding is required to help protect the humans that eventually do travel out thier and it also shows that if humans were to populate another planet a lot of thought will have to be given just to this one subject.
Of course. Travelling in a big rocket through space to another planet is risky and will need a lot of thought. No assumption needed.Eric Mc said:
And copy and paste from as many websites as you can find.
Well well Mc Eric isn't that what you do.........reach for a book, post a picture of a Pig The OP posted what was a good piece of research and you couldn't even be bothered to read tut tut go to the back of the class, the copy and paste here was only from the research which should for those with an open enquiring mind made interesting reading.
Eric Mc said:
Well I never. The conclusion after all that is "a lot of thought will be needed".
Blimey, I bet nobody realised that until now. What a revelation.
Blimey, I bet nobody realised that until now. What a revelation.
Indeed it does need to be done as Carl Jung said "Thinking is difficult, that is why most people Judge".
Edited by Toaster on Wednesday 3rd August 14:32
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