Chernobyl Gazeebo now in place

[Gandahar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38150529

Only took 30 years. Wonder if that will need some other container in 30 years? Russian doll scenario rather than China Syndrome.

As a quick off topic, when Chinese nuclear plants undergo meltdown what syndrome is that?

How much has this cost in total? How much will Fukushima cost? Those are the ones that have caused effects beyond the plant boundries.

Even dear old Dounreay is costing a fortune to decommission, lots of job opportunities

http://www.dounreay.com/about-us/careers-at-dounre...

Career at Dounray, 40 hours per week for the next 8 million years and may include weekend shifts.



I'd rather have a Welsh pit pony called Taffy getting some coal out of the ground in 2016 than our brave new world of 1950's where nuclear power is so cheap they would give it out free....

It's a pile of crap.

Pun intended.

[anonymous-user]

Back in the real world, the cost, pollution and deaths as a result of nuclear power are insignificant compared to those caused by fossil fuel extraction and use. If you think global warming isn't something the Chinese are fooling us with, then in fact, they (fossil fuels) are likely to have changed the future of every single living organism on the plant. But yeah, nuclear, real bad init..........


(BTW statistically, hydro electric generation is the most dangerous form of energy generation......)

[Simpo Two]

It's amusing that Switzerland are turning off all their nuclear power stations because of Fukushima.

They can't have seen the bit that Fukushima was caused by a tidal wave

[Brads67]

But the Swiss voted against accelerating decommissioning .

Probably to save face while they realise that Nuclear is the obvious clean low carbon future.

[davepoth]

IIRC the point of the gazebo is that they can now start dealing with the plant itself - remember the sarcophagus was not really constructed so much as thrown on and it's in danger of collapsing.

[Einion Yrth]

davepoth said:

IIRC the point of the gazebo is that they can now start dealing with the plant itself - remember the sarcophagus was not really constructed so much as thrown on and it's in danger of collapsing.

If dealing with means "worrying about in relative, albeit temporary, safety" then, yes; it's a godawful mess to which there is no good or swift solution under there though. A poor reactor design, bad decisions and...
well at least the local wildlife are enjoying a bit of human-free time.

[RumbleOfThunder]

Might've been the most ignorant OP I've read all year.

[Gandahar]

Max_Torque said:

Back in the real world, the cost, pollution and deaths as a result of nuclear power are insignificant compared to those caused by fossil fuel extraction and use.

"Blah blah none relevant off topic banter snipped"


But yeah, nuclear, real bad init..........

I was only talking about the costs, perhaps you can re-read my post again and then put some counter argument with costs in comparison rather than what grinds your beef?

The issue here is that nuclear costs are hard to work out end to end because nobody has ever fully decommissioned a nuclear plant fully to see what they are. And that's without any accidents to add more costs.

Edited by Gandahar on Sunday 4th December 16:40

[Gandahar]

RumbleOfThunder said:

Might've been the most ignorant OP I've read all year.

Only matched by a lazy reply that adds nothing to the argument. Well done.

[hidetheelephants]

Gandahar said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38150529

Only took 30 years. Wonder if that will need some other container in 30 years? Russian doll scenario rather than China Syndrome.


How much has this cost in total? How much will Fukushima cost? Those are the ones that have caused effects beyond the plant boundries.

The NSC is supposed to be good for 100 years, by which time much of the difficult work will have been dealt with and the structure will no longer be needed; it's cost around £2bn. Fukushima clean-up; how long is a piece of string? One of the larger figures quoted has been £142bn, but there seems to be a lot of padding being added because of radiophobia rather than actual radiological hazard. This radiophobia has a very real cost, the unnecessarily prolonged shutdown of Japan's other nuclear power stations has cost upward of £150bn in imported oil, gas and coal so far. The wider earthquake/tsunami clean-up rather dwarfs even that, anything up to half a trillion being quoted as a likely cost.

Gandahar said:

Even dear old Dounreay is costing a fortune to decommission, lots of job opportunities

http://www.dounreay.com/about-us/careers-at-dounre...

Career at Dounray, 40 hours per week for the next 8 million years and may include weekend shifts.

Dounreay was/is a research facility and most of it was built in the era when nobody gave much thought to economy of decommissioning; there isn't much point comparing the costs of clean-up there or at Windscale with the cost of cleaning up Bradwell for example. The decomm programme is supposed to run to 2060 or so.

[perdu]

hidetheelephants said:

ounreay was/is a research facility and most of it was built in the era when nobody gave much thought to economy of decommissioning; there isn't much point comparing the costs of clean-up there or at Windscale with the cost of cleaning up Bradwell for example. The decomm programme is supposed to run to 2060 or so.

Oh come on, you know you are not permitted real world stuff in one of THESE threads

run run runaway

[RobDickinson]

Fukushima costs are up to $176bn and they have barely started.

Nuclear done right is the solution, and we know how to do that. Done wrong it makes a mess.

[hairykrishna]

hidetheelephants said:

Fukushima clean-up; how long is a piece of string? One of the larger figures quoted has been £142bn, but there seems to be a lot of padding being added because of radiophobia rather than actual radiological hazard.

Wikipedia claims that the Japanese government has committed to cleaning everywhere with a dose rate above 1mSv/year. Not really sure how that'll work - I wonder if they'll send someone round to do my hoovering.

[hidetheelephants]

hairykrishna said:

hidetheelephants said:

Fukushima clean-up; how long is a piece of string? One of the larger figures quoted has been £142bn, but there seems to be a lot of padding being added because of radiophobia rather than actual radiological hazard.

Wikipedia claims that the Japanese government has committed to cleaning everywhere with a dose rate above 1mSv/year. Not really sure how that'll work - I wonder if they'll send someone round to do my hoovering.

Utterly barking; they're proposing to reduce radiation below background, are they going to build a massive lead-lined dome over the area? Someone needs to take the Japanese aside and explain physics to them.

[Ozzie Dave]

can I recomend a book called fukushima, by Mark Willacy (published by McMillan), extreemly good read and explains a lot about the culture that combined with the tsunami and allowed the incident to occur.-