Betelguese getting some attention for dimming

Betelguese getting some attention for dimming

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FourWheelDrift

88,541 posts

284 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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eldar said:
Mr E said:
Does the force propagate faster than light?
Only if it is made of tachyons.
Midichlorians are faster than tachyons, ooh by at least 12 parsecs.

Mr E

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259 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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FourWheelDrift said:
Midichlorians are faster than tachyons, ooh by at least 12 parsecs.
  • twitch* smile

MartG

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204 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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Part of the project my son is working on is looking to detect the pulse of neutrinos which a star emits just prior to it going nova - apparently their energy signature is fairly distinct so can be easily distinguished from other sources e.g. someone turning on a nuclear reactor.

The difficult bit is detecting enough of them and interpreting the data before the nova occurs - the recently approved HyperK detector should help with the detection bit as it's a good bit bigger/more sensitive than the SuperK detector my son is working with


andy_s

19,400 posts

259 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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MartG said:
Part of the project my son is working on is looking to detect the pulse of neutrinos which a star emits just prior to it going nova - apparently their energy signature is fairly distinct so can be easily distinguished from other sources e.g. someone turning on a nuclear reactor.

The difficult bit is detecting enough of them and interpreting the data before the nova occurs - the recently approved HyperK detector should help with the detection bit as it's a good bit bigger/more sensitive than the SuperK detector my son is working with

Yup - the neutrino burst escapes before the photons [which are trapped to some degree before release - photons travel for 100's of thousands of years within the sun before making it to the surface to give an idea...] and despite being slightly sub-luminal they should still arrive here at least a few hours before we see visible effects.

Brilliant projects to be involved in.

Zirconia

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36,010 posts

284 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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Speaking of which, I came across this the other day when mooching through a few searches.
https://nusoft.fnal.gov/nova/public/

Above me at the moment but getting a better grasp of it.

Eric Mc

122,038 posts

265 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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I remember in the early 1980s there was a big neutrino detection project set down an abandoned mine in the US (Homestead Mine). It involved lots of dry cleaning fluid.

Hoofy

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282 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Is it a little on the red side or is it my eyesight going off?

Zirconia

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284 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Started cloudless yesterday, then a few fluffy things came in, patchy on my sky last night and the first near clear for ages.

Reading the plot on the aavso.org some are showing 1.5+ magnitude change but the chart is not that simple. There is a "mean" function on it to better see what people are seeing. You can put a date range in back to 1905.

Computer is locked in some sort of issue with a backup at at the moment and turning it very slow and locking up, have to look at that aavso.org later.

OU course starts next week. I will be a world famous expert then. (Thanks Hoofy).

Eric Mc

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265 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Hoofy said:
Is it a little on the red side or is it my eyesight going off?
It's a red giant so always appears red.

funkyrobot

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228 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Scott Manley has released a video about this on YouTube. It's quite interesting as we can't actually be sure about what is going on.

Hoofy

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282 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Eric Mc said:
Hoofy said:
Is it a little on the red side or is it my eyesight going off?
It's a red giant so always appears red.
thumbup

I never noticed it before. smile

Hoofy

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282 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Zirconia said:
OU course starts next week. I will be a world famous expert then. (Thanks Hoofy).
biggrin

FYI you can do the entire course in a few hours, you don't have to wait for Week 2 to come around as it should all be unlocked straight away.

Eric Mc

122,038 posts

265 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Is it free?

I did the moons course a few years ago and enjoyed it. That was free but a year or so ago they started looking for money.

Zirconia

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284 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Yep, FOC. I have done a few on the solar system, planets and stuff over the years. Thought I would have more time but keeping finding things to do. Time I made time.

Apple also lists a good few free bits on its web app. Or at least it did before it messed things up. There were links to all sorts of free short courses run by universities world wide, try to find it again.

Zirconia

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Monday 30th December 2019
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Hoofy said:
Eric Mc said:
Hoofy said:
Is it a little on the red side or is it my eyesight going off?
It's a red giant so always appears red.
thumbup

I never noticed it before. smile
When I got my first glance at a cluster, it was a real WOW moment. You read about it, see it on the TV etc. but to get a big mix on the view finder of many colours, it was superb.
ISS passing through a bit of sky, slightly enhanced. The blur on the stars are probably atmosphere and lens aberration, this was not from a scope. Blues and reds should be obvious but this is a small file from a larger one.


phil-sti

2,679 posts

179 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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FourWheelDrift said:
eldar said:
Mr E said:
Does the force propagate faster than light?
Only if it is made of tachyons.
Midichlorians are faster than tachyons, ooh by at least 12 parsecs.
Do we measure Tachyons using distance?

Eric Mc

122,038 posts

265 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Another red giant that shows its "redness" very clearly is Aldeberan in Taurus.


Jack Mansfield

3,256 posts

90 months

Friday 3rd January 2020
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Came across the Betelgeuse dimming/supernova news this morning, got very excited, then it quickly ended when I saw it could be 100,00 years before it happens biggrin

It would be incredible to see, hoping I get to experience it in my life time!

Eric Mc

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265 months

Friday 3rd January 2020
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I don't think that it was any coincidence that the news on Betelguese POSSIBLY going supernova came out just before Christmas. Scientists are media savvy too and any item about a "bright new star at Christmas" is bound to get more air time and coverage than if the report had been published in June.

Possibly, somebody had read Arthur C Clarke's short story, "The Star".

Einion Yrth

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244 months

Friday 3rd January 2020
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phil-sti said:
Do we measure Tachyons using distance?
Parrot to aisle 4, please.