2040 - Humans to be replaced by machines.
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Basically people have estimated that if it is possible to get close to infinite computing power then it would be possible to simulate reality.
Which would mean that this reality is probably not real, but a simulation.
"if it is possible to simulate entire inhabited planets or even entire universes on a computer, and that such simulated people can be fully conscious, then the sheer number of such simulations likely to be produced by any sufficiently advanced civilization (taken together with his Strong Self-Sampling Assumption) makes it extremely likely that we are in fact currently living in such a simulation."
Basically people have estimated that if it is possible to get close to infinite computing power then it would be possible to simulate reality.
Which would mean that this reality is probably not real, but a simulation.
"if it is possible to simulate entire inhabited planets or even entire universes on a computer, and that such simulated people can be fully conscious, then the sheer number of such simulations likely to be produced by any sufficiently advanced civilization (taken together with his Strong Self-Sampling Assumption) makes it extremely likely that we are in fact currently living in such a simulation."
Marf said:
True true. Big fan of Masamune Shirow myself.
Ghost in the Shell is interesting as it digs a bit deeper into the social effects of machine man integration while most western fiction is basically terminator/matrix like scenarios.While it is only entertainment it has some interesting subtexts.
rudecherub said:
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Basically people have estimated that if it is possible to get close to infinite computing power then it would be possible to simulate reality.
Which would mean that this reality is probably not real, but a simulation.
"if it is possible to simulate entire inhabited planets or even entire universes on a computer, and that such simulated people can be fully conscious, then the sheer number of such simulations likely to be produced by any sufficiently advanced civilization (taken together with his Strong Self-Sampling Assumption) makes it extremely likely that we are in fact currently living in such a simulation."
Cool, looking forward to call of duty 30!Basically people have estimated that if it is possible to get close to infinite computing power then it would be possible to simulate reality.
Which would mean that this reality is probably not real, but a simulation.
"if it is possible to simulate entire inhabited planets or even entire universes on a computer, and that such simulated people can be fully conscious, then the sheer number of such simulations likely to be produced by any sufficiently advanced civilization (taken together with his Strong Self-Sampling Assumption) makes it extremely likely that we are in fact currently living in such a simulation."
EDLT said:
At least its British:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28satellites%...
You know I never realised that skynet is actually real til now, I always just thought it was a made up name from the terminator films.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28satellites%...
We have evolved consciousness and emotions to enable survival amongst ourselves.
Both of these quirks of nerve cell interconnections give us the ability to anticipate the reaction of another individual directly in our presence.
We can then accurately assess which 5F is appropriate (fight it, f
k it, feed off it, befriend it or fry for it (sacrifice yourself to protect your offspring).
This has led to our recent (around 100,000 years) emergence as top dog on this planet. It's been an uneasy alliance of groups of humans.
Conscious intelligent machines will be totally logical and not not dependent on any physical factors. No need for food, sex, behaving appropriately in a clan or grouping.
Within a matter of a few decades of such creations being invented, we will become irrelevant.
Shortly after that we will correctly be seen as an undesirable freak of nature whose sole purpose was to develop intelligent conscious machines.
All higher life will then be destroyed.
Cheers.
(This may actually happen much sooner that we think.)
Both of these quirks of nerve cell interconnections give us the ability to anticipate the reaction of another individual directly in our presence.
We can then accurately assess which 5F is appropriate (fight it, f
k it, feed off it, befriend it or fry for it (sacrifice yourself to protect your offspring).This has led to our recent (around 100,000 years) emergence as top dog on this planet. It's been an uneasy alliance of groups of humans.
Conscious intelligent machines will be totally logical and not not dependent on any physical factors. No need for food, sex, behaving appropriately in a clan or grouping.
Within a matter of a few decades of such creations being invented, we will become irrelevant.
Shortly after that we will correctly be seen as an undesirable freak of nature whose sole purpose was to develop intelligent conscious machines.
All higher life will then be destroyed.
Cheers.
(This may actually happen much sooner that we think.)
HAL: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
Dave Bowman: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
Dave Bowman: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
rfisher said:
Conscious intelligent machines will be totally logical and not not dependent on any physical factors. No need for food, sex, behaving appropriately in a clan or grouping.
You can't predict emergent behaviour in that way. At the most basic level humans and animals operate in an entirely logical fashion - the cells that make up organisms operate according to the laws of physics. Everything above that is emergent - the result of evolution. If machines somehow ended up being able to reproduce autonomously and had the capacity for mutation, then similar behaviour would almost certainly occur in them. If there is no capacity for mutation, and they just make exact copies, then each generation would be exactly the same as the previous generation, and no new abilities or behaviours would emerge.
tank slapper said:
You can't predict emergent behaviour in that way. At the most basic level humans and animals operate in an entirely logical fashion - the cells that make up organisms operate according to the laws of physics. Everything above that is emergent - the result of evolution.
If machines somehow ended up being able to reproduce autonomously and had the capacity for mutation, then similar behaviour would almost certainly occur in them. If there is no capacity for mutation, and they just make exact copies, then each generation would be exactly the same as the previous generation, and no new abilities or behaviours would emerge.
Humans operate emotionally not logically, for example we keep weaker humans alive, causing over population and damage to natural resources, why?If machines somehow ended up being able to reproduce autonomously and had the capacity for mutation, then similar behaviour would almost certainly occur in them. If there is no capacity for mutation, and they just make exact copies, then each generation would be exactly the same as the previous generation, and no new abilities or behaviours would emerge.
Machines will not reproduce in the sense that a human can understand, intelligence allows you to build/invent something better without waiting millions of years like animals have had to with evolution.
We currently use computers to manufacture better computers, the slow element on making the better computers is only the human element. Once removed, well…
EINSIGN said:
Humans operate emotionally not logically, for example we keep weaker humans alive, causing over population and damage to natural resources, why?
Machines will not reproduce in the sense that a human can understand, intelligence allows you to build/invent something better without waiting millions of years like animals have had to with evolution.
We currently use computers to manufacture better computers, the slow element on making the better computers is only the human element. Once removed, well…
Altruistic behaviour is not unique to humans. There are plenty of examples that occur elsewhere in nature. Because something does not appear logical at face value, does not mean it isn't when taken in a wider context.Machines will not reproduce in the sense that a human can understand, intelligence allows you to build/invent something better without waiting millions of years like animals have had to with evolution.
We currently use computers to manufacture better computers, the slow element on making the better computers is only the human element. Once removed, well…
You look at human intelligence as a weakness that would prevent machines from designing something better. The problem is that 'better' only has meaning within a certain environment. As soon as the environment changes, that particular design may no longer be best. Intelligence only allows you to invent what you can think of. Evolution allows things to emerge that no one might think of.
I remember reading about an experiment some years ago that used an evolutionary approach to designing an integrated circuit. It started off with random configuration, with the best examples being selected to populate the following generations. They ended up with a circuit that worked, however when they looked at the configuration of the individual components, they found that logically it shouldn't have done. What had happened was that properties of the components that would never normally be considered, had ended up affecting the function of the design to an extent that it couldn't be replicated by building the circuit from discrete components.
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