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How long before our political leaders(?) wake up?
Link to PDF about how increased CO2 will save millions of lives!!
http://www.co2science.org/education/reports/foodse...
Link to PDF about how increased CO2 will save millions of lives!!
http://www.co2science.org/education/reports/foodse...
VPower said:
How long before our political leaders(?) wake up?
Link to PDF about how increased CO2 will save millions of lives!!
http://www.co2science.org/education/reports/foodse...
Link to PDF about how increased CO2 will save millions of lives!!
http://www.co2science.org/education/reports/foodse...
How can that possibly be?!
Carbon dioxide is so evil that even thinking about it can make polar bears melt. Perhaps that's why politicians and greens stopped thinking at some point.
Shome mishtake shirley.
VPower said:
Well TB as you have been saying all along CO2 is Plant Food Gas!
I'll send that link to my MP and ask him to comment.
I'll send that link to my MP and ask him to comment.
Indeed I have, and occasionally something about buying Damart.
As to MPs, if you're writing to the like of Peter Lilley you might get a sensible reply otherwise no chance - but letting MPs see it is at least chipping away at the new religious beliefs they've adopted.
turbobloke said:
Indeed I have, and occasionally something about buying Damart.
As to MPs, if you're writing to the like of Peter Lilley you might get a sensible reply otherwise no chance - but letting MPs see it is at least chipping away at the new religious beliefs they've adopted.
I think I'm on my MP's "Deniers" list by now!
Hot off the press (or cold as the case may be).
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/ice_age/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/14/the-major-aa...
Buy Damart etc...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/ice_age/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/14/the-major-aa...
Buy Damart etc...
Breaking news from WUWT
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/14/the-major-aa...
Looks like we'll need more than Damart if we are going headlong into a Maunder minimum!
When the hell is our government going to wake up to reality.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/14/the-major-aa...
Looks like we'll need more than Damart if we are going headlong into a Maunder minimum!
When the hell is our government going to wake up to reality.
Good to see the likelihood of a Dalton or Maunder minimum back getting headlines but it needs to be in the MSM.
Also good to see certain work getting recognition but it would only be justice to see those saying this 20 years ago getting some of the same.
It's been there in Gleissberg cycle data for anybody to see who was willing to look.
Unfortunately certain 'scientists' and the politicians who listen to them intently for vested interest or expedient reasons - or just ignorant gullibility - have been suffering from tax gas blindness for about as long.
Also good to see certain work getting recognition but it would only be justice to see those saying this 20 years ago getting some of the same.
It's been there in Gleissberg cycle data for anybody to see who was willing to look.
Unfortunately certain 'scientists' and the politicians who listen to them intently for vested interest or expedient reasons - or just ignorant gullibility - have been suffering from tax gas blindness for about as long.
Timewarp back to December 2010 and Archibald getting coverage on HMT website getting coverage on Wattsup getting coverage on PH
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http:/...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http:/...
DieselGriff said:
Yes, I'm sure the BBC will be preparing it's "Breaking news" section as we speak.... <holdsbreath>...
Nope - An Aussie dinosaur had a UK relative, something about a French satellite-telescope and how European forests are important in the fight against Climate Change...
Guam said:
Banned due to ongoing trolling behaviour in essence (he has been banned from previous threads) HTH, any further discussion on this, should take place in Website feedback.
Cheers
Haven't seen this thread before. Got as far as this post and started to lose the will to live. The only "trolling" Prof Prolapse did on this thread was point out that no one was presenting any scientific evidence and plenty of posts were saying "you can't trust the science" which is obviously not scientific evidence which is what this thread was supposed to be about. I have no idea, and I care even less, if Prof Prolapse was trolling elsewhere. He comments on this thread were clearly entirely reasonable.Cheers
And since he has departed the thread ... guess what? ... there's still nothing vaguely approximating to a scientific discussion going on. And how could there be? Why would we expect lay people to be able to shed any light on a subject like climate science?
You have a choice - either you study the science yourself (and best of luck with that because it is a truly vast multi-disciplinary subject) or you accept that you personally aren't in a position to judge.
And there is a third position you can take - the "I heard from a bloke down the pub" summary. And that's pretty much what's going on in this thread. Fun, perhaps ... might even hear your own prejudices being parroted back at you, which often feels reassuring. But is it informative? Obviously not.
ATG said:
You have a choice - either you study the science yourself or you accept that you personally aren't in a position to judge.
And there is a third position you can take - the "I heard from a bloke down the pub" summary. And that's pretty much what's going on in this thread. Fun, perhaps ... might even hear your own prejudices being parroted back at you, which often feels reassuring. But is it informative? Obviously not.
There's a difference between the knowledge gleaned on this (and many more) thread(s) over the years and "what I heard from a bloke down the pub".And there is a third position you can take - the "I heard from a bloke down the pub" summary. And that's pretty much what's going on in this thread. Fun, perhaps ... might even hear your own prejudices being parroted back at you, which often feels reassuring. But is it informative? Obviously not.
A huge difference.
These threads don't try and convert you. Rather they compel you to look at the evidence for yourself and come up with your own conclusions.
Many have done.
Sorry if you don't like what you read, but more and more people's eyes have been opened to the 'consensus' and it's myriad failings, and that number will only grow as the evidence to the contrary becomes painfully more apparent in the coming years.
This has been mentioned many times in the past.
Is that informative to you?
Obviously not.
"You have a choice - either you study the science yourself or you accept that you personally aren't in a position to judge."
The science is linked to from these PH threads, as people posting on it get pre-print papers from climate scientists, links to recently published papers from the authors, news from networks of scientists working in and around the field of climate science, and post the various bits and pieces here together with links to news items and blogs discussing the same. After so many years of this it's surprising how easy it is to miss. As easy as missing the obvious scientific credentials of many contributors, and the evidence-based comments made by observers who may or may not be highly qualified themselves. Which point we've been through as many times as there are links to the science.
The bloke down the pub attempted put-down is as hilarious as it is misguided.
Anybody who wants science to judge will find a wider range on here over the past several years than in IPCC reports since we link to their junkscience there as well as the other results that the IPCC core coterie of 'scientists' kept out of IPCC publications in their distorted approach to how 'science' operates.
The science is linked to from these PH threads, as people posting on it get pre-print papers from climate scientists, links to recently published papers from the authors, news from networks of scientists working in and around the field of climate science, and post the various bits and pieces here together with links to news items and blogs discussing the same. After so many years of this it's surprising how easy it is to miss. As easy as missing the obvious scientific credentials of many contributors, and the evidence-based comments made by observers who may or may not be highly qualified themselves. Which point we've been through as many times as there are links to the science.
The bloke down the pub attempted put-down is as hilarious as it is misguided.
Anybody who wants science to judge will find a wider range on here over the past several years than in IPCC reports since we link to their junkscience there as well as the other results that the IPCC core coterie of 'scientists' kept out of IPCC publications in their distorted approach to how 'science' operates.
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