Climate Change - The Scientific Debate
Discussion
I was beginning to worry that within 3 pages this thread was going to go the same way as the other's.
Glad that it seems the problem has been resolved.
A few comments/observations on my (non-scientific) part.
1. The assassination science website, that has successfully outlined all the climategate stuff for the lay-person should be applauded and I can't believe that the media haven't used it to cover their own backs fro when this all blows up completely. They [the media] have been completely duped by AGW promoters and should be fuming, I would be.
2. Saying that the IPCC is made up of top climatologists, is like say that the UN middle east peace envoy is a nice peace loving chap, not the greedy war-monger we know him to be. The IPCC is made up primarily of industrilalists and economists and as one the key people admitted recently, it's nothing to do with climate and everything to do with "wealth re-distribution".
3. With the two points above, I can't understand how anyone can still believe in AGW, it's rotten science that has been used unscupulously [sp] to re-distirbute our money.
Glad that it seems the problem has been resolved.
A few comments/observations on my (non-scientific) part.
1. The assassination science website, that has successfully outlined all the climategate stuff for the lay-person should be applauded and I can't believe that the media haven't used it to cover their own backs fro when this all blows up completely. They [the media] have been completely duped by AGW promoters and should be fuming, I would be.
2. Saying that the IPCC is made up of top climatologists, is like say that the UN middle east peace envoy is a nice peace loving chap, not the greedy war-monger we know him to be. The IPCC is made up primarily of industrilalists and economists and as one the key people admitted recently, it's nothing to do with climate and everything to do with "wealth re-distribution".
3. With the two points above, I can't understand how anyone can still believe in AGW, it's rotten science that has been used unscupulously [sp] to re-distirbute our money.
te in the papers about AGW!! Just like to say thanks to The Mods!!
So now I would like to ask a Scientific question.
Is the Scientific evidence that Bristle Cone Pines and related species have put on a growth spurt, actually evidence that increased CO2 is beneficial to the Planet as a whole?
And not, as the corrupted science concoction of the Hockey Team put it, as evidence of AGW.
I'm asking if the assumption that more CO2 at the tree-line has resulted in the spurt is true, can we see any evidence that growth in say "constrained management" of certain African crops have increased.
So now I would like to ask a Scientific question.
Is the Scientific evidence that Bristle Cone Pines and related species have put on a growth spurt, actually evidence that increased CO2 is beneficial to the Planet as a whole?
And not, as the corrupted science concoction of the Hockey Team put it, as evidence of AGW.
I'm asking if the assumption that more CO2 at the tree-line has resulted in the spurt is true, can we see any evidence that growth in say "constrained management" of certain African crops have increased.
Treemometers. Thermometers. Spot the differences 
as we have done in the past. Temperature is by no means the sole determining factor.
See link (below) for explanation. It can all get a bit whackadaisical. Bash a tree, make the world warmer - to certain credulist dendrodisciples anyway. Others can see the scars. Hopefully the glacier at fault was advancing
http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/16/luckman-at-the-...
Even after the excellent content that cartoon is just brilliant.
Not forgetting YAD061
as we have done in the past. Temperature is by no means the sole determining factor.See link (below) for explanation. It can all get a bit whackadaisical. Bash a tree, make the world warmer - to certain credulist dendrodisciples anyway. Others can see the scars. Hopefully the glacier at fault was advancing
http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/16/luckman-at-the-...
Even after the excellent content that cartoon is just brilliant.
Not forgetting YAD061
turbobloke said:
Diderot said:
Cool.So another what if scenario then . . . pointless media pandering to get their names in the press.
Diderot said:
Strange how climate change always makes hot countries hotter and cold countries colder.Not At All Sensationalist Article said:
One theory is that the circulation could slow down dramatically within two decades sending average temperatures plummeting.
The possibility echoes the plot of the 2004 disaster movie The Day After Tomorrow, which depicted the catastrophic effects on world climates when the delicate balance maintained by ocean circulation is suddenly lost.
The possibility echoes the plot of the 2004 disaster movie The Day After Tomorrow, which depicted the catastrophic effects on world climates when the delicate balance maintained by ocean circulation is suddenly lost.
The latest NOAA ENSO advisory arrived this afternoon. For those interested:
During April 2011, La Niña continued to weaken as indicated by increasing surface and subsurface temperature anomalies across the equatorial Pacific Ocean. The latest weekly Niño indices reflected below-average sea surface temperatures (SSTs) in the central and east-central Pacific (–0.6°C in Nino-4 and Nino-3.4 regions), and near-average to above-average SSTs in the eastern Pacific (–0.1°C in Nino-3 and +0.8°C in Nino-1+2 regions. The subsurface oceanic heat content anomalies (average temperatures in the upper 300m of the ocean) increased slightly, due to an expanded area of above-average temperatures at thermocline depth. Consistent with other transitions to ENSO-neutral conditions, the atmospheric circulation anomalies related to La Niña remained considerable over the tropical and subtropical Pacific. Convection was enhanced over much of Indonesia and suppressed over the western and central equatorial Pacific. Also, anomalous low-level easterly and upper-level westerly winds have persisted in this region. Collectively, these oceanic and atmospheric anomalies reflect a weakening La Niña, but with ongoing global impacts. Current observed trends, along with forecasts from nearly all of the ENSO models, indicate La Niña will continue to weaken in the coming months, with a return to ENSO-neutral during May-June-July 2011
During April 2011, La Niña continued to weaken as indicated by increasing surface and subsurface temperature anomalies across the equatorial Pacific Ocean. The latest weekly Niño indices reflected below-average sea surface temperatures (SSTs) in the central and east-central Pacific (–0.6°C in Nino-4 and Nino-3.4 regions), and near-average to above-average SSTs in the eastern Pacific (–0.1°C in Nino-3 and +0.8°C in Nino-1+2 regions. The subsurface oceanic heat content anomalies (average temperatures in the upper 300m of the ocean) increased slightly, due to an expanded area of above-average temperatures at thermocline depth. Consistent with other transitions to ENSO-neutral conditions, the atmospheric circulation anomalies related to La Niña remained considerable over the tropical and subtropical Pacific. Convection was enhanced over much of Indonesia and suppressed over the western and central equatorial Pacific. Also, anomalous low-level easterly and upper-level westerly winds have persisted in this region. Collectively, these oceanic and atmospheric anomalies reflect a weakening La Niña, but with ongoing global impacts. Current observed trends, along with forecasts from nearly all of the ENSO models, indicate La Niña will continue to weaken in the coming months, with a return to ENSO-neutral during May-June-July 2011
ExChrispy Porker said:
Saturday morning will be fine and dry then?
Every Saturday for the foreseeable future, finer and dryer if you feel the faith of the new religion 
Which I would guess you don't but correct that if wrong.
Otherwise the scientific appraisal of ENSO relates more to possible impact on global measures e.g. awaiting May release of April's data here and beyond April into the summer.
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