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Guam
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Prof Prolapse said: Ad-hominem.
Also irrelevent as the explanation is referenced to external papers. You can NOT by definition carry out an AD hom on the positioning of A Web Site, Ludicrous Proposition, even People Like Lucidia and Judith Curry acknowledge it is a PRO website.
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Guam
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Dangerous2 said: My position is irrelevant to whether the peer review is good or bad, because you make up your own mind whether a paper is any good not, and don't take the fact it's been read by two invisible and anonymous men with beards (or more likely their graduate students).
If you want any papers, let me know and I'll get you a PDF. You may regret that offer  It is tiresome having to pay for regular Academic papers and only rely on Abstracts, I did have a mutter about that on Judith Curry's Blog and enquired as to where that cash goes
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mybrainhurts
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Prof Prolapse said: Other than three I just gave you and fact it is an ad-hominem and the moderator made it very clear this was not the purpose of the thread and would not be tolerated? You missed my question regarding this and Ex's response. You are wrong.
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Dangerous2
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Guam said: You may regret that offer It is tiresome having to pay for regular Academic papers and only rely on Abstracts, I did have a mutter about that on Judith Curry's Blog and enquired as to where that cash goes no, seriously, no problem, pm me and if I have access I can send you the PDF. As someone who does research that is paid for by the taxpayer I consider it pretty stupid that the result of my research are not available free to those same taxpayers. The scientific publishing situation is a bit of a con if you ask me.
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Guam
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Dangerous2 said: no, seriously, no problem, pm me and if I have access I can send you the PDF.
As someone who does research that is paid for by the taxpayer I consider it pretty stupid that the result of my research are not available free to those same taxpayers. The scientific publishing situation is a bit of a con if you ask me.
[footnote] Thank You I could not agree more
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VPower
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As someone who has followed this topic on PH for a long time, I'm sad to see the same-old tactics still being used to try and stop people like me (lay person) benefiting from the presentation of credible science and new information.
To explain this further!
I have just this very minute finished reading "THE HOCKEY STICK ILLUSION" by A.W.MONTFORD.
This book clearly explains what happened and I believe somewhat why!
For those of you, who like me want to understand the issues being debated here (AND the tactics of some) on this and some other threads, I suggest you read this book ASAP!
If the "Shot-Gun" tactics continue, I, ME, YES ME, WILL report it to the mods, as I'm fed up with them already
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Guam
15,302 posts
137 months
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VPower said: As someone who has followed this topic on PH for a long time, I'm sad to see the same-old tactics still being used to try and stop people like me (lay person) benefiting from the presentation of credible science and new information.
To explain this further!
I have just this very minute finished reading "THE HOCKEY STICK ILLUSION" by A.W.MONTFORD.
This book clearly explains what happened and I believe somewhat why!
For those of you, who like me want to understand the issues being debated here (AND the tactics of some) on this and some other threads, I suggest you read this book ASAP!
If the "Shot-Gun" tactics continue, I, ME, YES ME, WILL report it to the mods, as I'm fed up with them already Dont worry EXC has some help now I understand, there will be no return to the bad old days, as I understand it
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perdu
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Guam said: VPower said: As someone who has followed this topic on PH for a long time, I'm sad to see the same-old tactics still being used to try and stop people like me (lay person) benefiting from the presentation of credible science and new information.
To explain this further!
I have just this very minute finished reading "THE HOCKEY STICK ILLUSION" by A.W.MONTFORD.
This book clearly explains what happened and I believe somewhat why!
For those of you, who like me want to understand the issues being debated here (AND the tactics of some) on this and some other threads, I suggest you read this book ASAP!
If the "Shot-Gun" tactics continue, I, ME, YES ME, WILL report it to the mods, as I'm fed up with them already Dont worry EXC has some help now I understand, there will be no return to the bad old days, as I understand it All well and good, I am glad that The Exc has "back up". But having just digested http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/ again I am entirely with VPower because- Every time we get the basic premise of a science discussion thread a science sounding person pops up with accusations of Ad-Homs all round Tiresome doesn't even begin to... Next we get the same old baloney. Do we also get the "five Climate scientists" bollix? Omigod I hope not  I am alarmed something read wrong at the beginning of this WELCOME new thread  anyway did I mention welcome?
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The Excession
Original Poster
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119 months
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Prof Prolapse won't be gracing this thread again with his pressence.
HTH
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mybrainhurts
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124 months
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I trust he won't be surprised...
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perdu
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68 months
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The Excession said: Prof Prolapse won't be gracing this thread again with his pressence.
HTH That is a PRESENT thanks and on...
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chris watton
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The Excession said: Prof Prolapse won't be gracing this thread again with his pressence.
HTH Did prolapse have another relapse to original form? 
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Dangerous2
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er, what did he say that was so bad?
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Guam
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137 months
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Dangerous2 said: er, what did he say that was so bad? I would leave it be D2, he has significant History on these threads and his comments were well understood by those who know him. Cheers Tom
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AshVX220
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I was beginning to worry that within 3 pages this thread was going to go the same way as the other's.
Glad that it seems the problem has been resolved.
A few comments/observations on my (non-scientific) part.
1. The assassination science website, that has successfully outlined all the climategate stuff for the lay-person should be applauded and I can't believe that the media haven't used it to cover their own backs fro when this all blows up completely. They [the media] have been completely duped by AGW promoters and should be fuming, I would be.
2. Saying that the IPCC is made up of top climatologists, is like say that the UN middle east peace envoy is a nice peace loving chap, not the greedy war-monger we know him to be. The IPCC is made up primarily of industrilalists and economists and as one the key people admitted recently, it's nothing to do with climate and everything to do with "wealth re-distribution".
3. With the two points above, I can't understand how anyone can still believe in AGW, it's rotten science that has been used unscupulously [sp] to re-distirbute our money.
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Einion Yrth
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113 months
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AshVX220 said: re-distirbute our money. Given your problems with spelling "redistribute", might I suggest the obvious synonym, "steal". 
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AshVX220
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Einion Yrth said: AshVX220 said: re-distirbute our money. Given your problems with spelling "redistribute", might I suggest the obvious synonym, "steal". Doh!! Finger trouble!!  I like the word steal though, it's nice and emotive, like the s  te in the papers about AGW!!
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VPower
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63 months
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Just like to say thanks to The Mods!!
So now I would like to ask a Scientific question.
Is the Scientific evidence that Bristle Cone Pines and related species have put on a growth spurt, actually evidence that increased CO2 is beneficial to the Planet as a whole?
And not, as the corrupted science concoction of the Hockey Team put it, as evidence of AGW.
I'm asking if the assumption that more CO2 at the tree-line has resulted in the spurt is true, can we see any evidence that growth in say "constrained management" of certain African crops have increased.
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turbobloke
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129 months
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Treemometers. Thermometers. Spot the differences as we have done in the past. Temperature is by no means the sole determining factor.  See link (below) for explanation. It can all get a bit whackadaisical. Bash a tree, make the world warmer - to certain credulist dendrodisciples anyway. Others can see the scars. Hopefully the glacier at fault was advancing http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/16/luckman-at-the-...Even after the excellent content that cartoon is just brilliant. Not forgetting YAD061
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Diderot
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