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Global warming "hiatus" lies in the Atlantic now, not the Pacific, or does it ?
Global warming slowdown answer lies in depths of Atlantic, study finds
Global warming slowdown answer lies in depths of Atlantic, study finds
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Global warming "hiatus" lies in the Atlantic now, not the Pacific, or does it ?
Global warming slowdown answer lies in depths of Atlantic, study finds
It says warming should start again in 15 years time. So, a get-out-of-jail card valid for 15 years for the warmists; 'just wait. it's coming!'Global warming slowdown answer lies in depths of Atlantic, study finds
LongQ said:
Scary bunch huhOK OK
I was wrong all along OK
(have they gone yet?)
LongQ said:
The pictures are quite accurate, due to MMGW energy policies they will be unable to light things properly and colour will be banned due to the energy requirements for storing and processing colour pictures.Welcome to some climate scientists view of the future.
Or did I miss the point they were trying to make.
BBC Radio 4 broadcast a most interesting programme this morning (it's on again next Tuesday evening) about Scientific Research results and their replicatability or possible lack thereof.
Everything we Know is Wrong.
One might suggest it should be compulsory listening - but only if its results can be replicated and interpretation agreed.
Everything we Know is Wrong.
One might suggest it should be compulsory listening - but only if its results can be replicated and interpretation agreed.
durbster said:
Moonhawk said:
The Earth's climate has shifted massively in the past with no human intervention - far more than any climate shift we have seen of late. This throws up several questions
1. How do we distinguish between a natural climate shift and one induced by humans?
2. What happens if one of these shifts occurs quite naturally - do we let it go or try and stop it?
3. Is a human induced climate shift necessarily worse than a natural one?
Even if we can predict the climate with greater accuracy than today - that still doesn't mean we will have control over it.
1. By studying it, coming up with theories and testing them.1. How do we distinguish between a natural climate shift and one induced by humans?
2. What happens if one of these shifts occurs quite naturally - do we let it go or try and stop it?
3. Is a human induced climate shift necessarily worse than a natural one?
Even if we can predict the climate with greater accuracy than today - that still doesn't mean we will have control over it.
2. If it threatens our survival, of course we try and stop it.
3. No.
2. How do we know it threatens our survival though. The earth has, in the past, been a much warmer place - and also more lush with plant life. Given an increasing population - could a return to that scenario not actually be beneficial to human survival? We seems to be assuming that any deviation from the status quo would have dire consequences - but is that really true? Also - even if climate change does have an impact - just how severe would the change have to be to threaten our entire species. Given the climate has been radically different in the past - and plant/animal life thrived - are we somewhat overplaying the impact the climate could have on humans.
3. That doesn't appear to be the assumption though.
Edited by Moonhawk on Thursday 28th August 10:29
1979 - start of Thatcherism and climate science...
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/08/30/more...
Record breaking levels of Antarctic sea ice caused by global warming.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-275...
I thought low levels of Antarctic sea ice were down to global warming?
(Apologies for Daily Mail link etc.)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-275...
I thought low levels of Antarctic sea ice were down to global warming?
(Apologies for Daily Mail link etc.)
Debaser said:
Record breaking levels of Antarctic sea ice caused by global warming.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-275...
I thought low levels of Antarctic sea ice were down to global warming?
(Apologies for Daily Mail link etc.)
I thinkhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-275...
I thought low levels of Antarctic sea ice were down to global warming?
(Apologies for Daily Mail link etc.)
And please don't quote me on this
I think record levels of records are caused by Global Warming
Debaser said:
Record breaking levels of Antarctic sea ice caused by global warming.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-275...
I thought low levels of Antarctic sea ice were down to global warming?
The heat down there must be getting unbearable...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-275...
I thought low levels of Antarctic sea ice were down to global warming?
Penguins must be literally cooking in their skins
Joking aside, you really do have to admire a propaganda machine that can say that more ice is being created by warmer temperatures and have, maybe, 3/4 of an otherwise intelligent population believe it.
It seems to have been done by convincing people that "they're smart enough to know they're not smart enough to understand". So, if you say "that doesn't make sense" you're obviously more stupid than those who accept it despite it apparently not making sense. Classic Emperor's New Clothes.
Incidentally, the reason the penguins aren't melting into chocolate sog inside their wrappers is because the supposed warming that's producing all this ice isn't actually happening, at least in the southen polar region.
So, not only are they convincing people that warmer temps gives more ice, they're saying that imaginary warmer temps give more ice.
It seems to have been done by convincing people that "they're smart enough to know they're not smart enough to understand". So, if you say "that doesn't make sense" you're obviously more stupid than those who accept it despite it apparently not making sense. Classic Emperor's New Clothes.
Incidentally, the reason the penguins aren't melting into chocolate sog inside their wrappers is because the supposed warming that's producing all this ice isn't actually happening, at least in the southen polar region.
So, not only are they convincing people that warmer temps gives more ice, they're saying that imaginary warmer temps give more ice.
I used to think this was a credible youtube channel.... but it seems they already decided their views before using a balanced science approach..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWXoRSIxyIU
I think the comments section is crying out for content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWXoRSIxyIU
I think the comments section is crying out for content.
Variability.
Whilst researching something entirely unrelated to climate I stumbled across this, noticing the observations purely by chance. (Note that although the link references a page number the pages are very long! I have selected some of the more interesting entries.)
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34439/34439-h/34439...
DECEMBER. (1837)
25.—“For its extreme mildness and sunny brightness this was more like May Day than Christmas Day, with the thermometer at 55 and a southern breeze.”
1838.
JANUARY.
1.—The weather on this day was of a beautiful and spring-like character. During the remainder of the week “the moon in her first quarter and the planet Venus made the evenings most brilliant. Never in the memory of man did the old year go out or the new one come in with such splendour as the last and the present. Both days in all respects resembled April or even May much more than December or January.”
6.—Wintry weather set in with great severity. The frost commenced on the 7th, and continued to increase in intensity till the 20th, “when the thermometer recorded 30 degrees below freezing point, a depression greater than in the intense frost of 1814, when, on January 9th, it stood at 28 degrees below freezing.” There was a thaw on the 21st, but on the 23rd the frost recommenced, and on the 24th the weather was bitterly cold. Remarkable snowdrifts occurred on roads near the coast. “The river at Lynn was a solid bed of ice. From the eastern side to the opposite shores of West Lynn and North Lynn persons passed and re-passed with the same facility and safety as if it had been land. A similar circumstance had not occurred for half a century.” A second thaw, with a southerly wind, commenced on the 29th, but on February 1st the wind veered to the east, and another frost set in. From February 13th to the 15th the weather was so severe that water indoors was frozen, and on the 16th the thermometer stood at 16 degrees below freezing point. A decided thaw took place on the 22nd, but on the 23rd a fourth frost occurred. In the week commencing March 4th a rapid thaw was followed by heavy rains, ice and snow vanished with surprising rapidity, and business was resumed on the navigable streams, which for so long had been impassable. Throughout the frost “the poulterers were abundantly supplied with British and foreign wild fowl of all descriptions.”
22.—The tide in Yarmouth Harbour was the lowest ever recorded. “The bed of the river was left dry more than 20 feet from the quay head.”
27.*—“The severity of the weather has induced several families in the neighbourhood of Holt to adopt the American fashion of travelling in sledges. The greatest curiosity is caused among the natives.”
APRIL.
23.—The cuckoo was not heard until this date, “being the latest indication of the vernal season since 1767, in which year it did not sing till May 7th, and the latest ever known in 51 years, according to the late Mr. Marsham’s observations at Stratton Strawless.”
JUNE.
—Violent hailstorms, accompanied by thunder and lightning, occurred in many parts of the county. At Cockley Cley great damage was done. “Pieces of ice as big as walnuts were found lying under the hedges next morning, and the turnips were out into shreds.”
Nothing much changes as the years pass.
Whilst researching something entirely unrelated to climate I stumbled across this, noticing the observations purely by chance. (Note that although the link references a page number the pages are very long! I have selected some of the more interesting entries.)
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34439/34439-h/34439...
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DECEMBER. (1837)
25.—“For its extreme mildness and sunny brightness this was more like May Day than Christmas Day, with the thermometer at 55 and a southern breeze.”
1838.
JANUARY.
1.—The weather on this day was of a beautiful and spring-like character. During the remainder of the week “the moon in her first quarter and the planet Venus made the evenings most brilliant. Never in the memory of man did the old year go out or the new one come in with such splendour as the last and the present. Both days in all respects resembled April or even May much more than December or January.”
6.—Wintry weather set in with great severity. The frost commenced on the 7th, and continued to increase in intensity till the 20th, “when the thermometer recorded 30 degrees below freezing point, a depression greater than in the intense frost of 1814, when, on January 9th, it stood at 28 degrees below freezing.” There was a thaw on the 21st, but on the 23rd the frost recommenced, and on the 24th the weather was bitterly cold. Remarkable snowdrifts occurred on roads near the coast. “The river at Lynn was a solid bed of ice. From the eastern side to the opposite shores of West Lynn and North Lynn persons passed and re-passed with the same facility and safety as if it had been land. A similar circumstance had not occurred for half a century.” A second thaw, with a southerly wind, commenced on the 29th, but on February 1st the wind veered to the east, and another frost set in. From February 13th to the 15th the weather was so severe that water indoors was frozen, and on the 16th the thermometer stood at 16 degrees below freezing point. A decided thaw took place on the 22nd, but on the 23rd a fourth frost occurred. In the week commencing March 4th a rapid thaw was followed by heavy rains, ice and snow vanished with surprising rapidity, and business was resumed on the navigable streams, which for so long had been impassable. Throughout the frost “the poulterers were abundantly supplied with British and foreign wild fowl of all descriptions.”
22.—The tide in Yarmouth Harbour was the lowest ever recorded. “The bed of the river was left dry more than 20 feet from the quay head.”
27.*—“The severity of the weather has induced several families in the neighbourhood of Holt to adopt the American fashion of travelling in sledges. The greatest curiosity is caused among the natives.”
APRIL.
23.—The cuckoo was not heard until this date, “being the latest indication of the vernal season since 1767, in which year it did not sing till May 7th, and the latest ever known in 51 years, according to the late Mr. Marsham’s observations at Stratton Strawless.”
JUNE.
—Violent hailstorms, accompanied by thunder and lightning, occurred in many parts of the county. At Cockley Cley great damage was done. “Pieces of ice as big as walnuts were found lying under the hedges next morning, and the turnips were out into shreds.”
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Nothing much changes as the years pass.
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